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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You forgot to mention the successive right wing Presidents of Venezuela that the US supported for decades that directly lead to Chavez taking over...
    I think you should think about two things.
    -What problems does a democracy encounter, when it has to wage a 50 year cold war?
    -Is it intelligent to try and deflect from ones own failures by pointing at old history, especially before understanding the circumstances.

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think you should think about two things.
    -What problems does a democracy encounter, when it has to wage a 50 year cold war?
    -Is it intelligent to try and deflect from ones own failures by pointing at old history, especially before understanding the circumstances.
    Using the Cold War to justify US CIA atrocities in Latin America!?!?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think you should think about two things.
    -What problems does a democracy encounter, when it has to wage a 50 year cold war?
    -Is it intelligent to try and deflect from ones own failures by pointing at old history, especially before understanding the circumstances.
    And something you should think about.

    History matters.

    What the US did in the cold war does matter, both the good and bad. And in South and Central America's case most of what the US did was bad and the US of today can not run from this history.

    Sadly it seems some in the US wants to repeat that history and have learned nothing from the last 50+ years of supporting brutal dictators and not allowing people to live as they want.

    Chavez is just a reaction to this history, just as the Mullahs in Tehran are a reaction to this history and so on and so on and you can keep denying this and ignoring these facts, but that wont make them be less of a fact and it wont make them go away.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And something you should think about.

    History matters.

    What the US did in the cold war does matter, both the good and bad. And in South and Central America's case most of what the US did was bad and the US of today can not run from this history.

    Sadly it seems some in the US wants to repeat that history and have learned nothing from the last 50+ years of supporting brutal dictators and not allowing people to live as they want.

    Chavez is just a reaction to this history, just as the Mullahs in Tehran are a reaction to this history and so on and so on and you can keep denying this and ignoring these facts, but that wont make them be less of a fact and it wont make them go away.
    I for one would love for Americans to learn this lesson. As to American leadership though, responsible for foreign policy, there is no lesson to learn. US foreign policy is driven by big business and what is beneficial to that. Look for more of the same supported by Americans who want to, indeed need to believe that our foreign policy has humanitarian interests at its core.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I for one would love for Americans to learn this lesson. As to American leadership though, responsible for foreign policy, there is no lesson to learn. US foreign policy is driven by big business and what is beneficial to that. Look for more of the same supported by Americans who want to, indeed need to believe that our foreign policy has humanitarian interests at its core.
    I somewhat agree, American foreign policy has always been driven by big business and the 1% since the mid 1800s if not before. The Bannana Wars.. Iran, Vietnam, Iraq, Panama.. all had cold war excuses, but in reality it was funding money towards US business so they could grow and get bigger and bigger.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I somewhat agree, American foreign policy has always been driven by big business and the 1% since the mid 1800s if not before. The Bannana Wars.. Iran, Vietnam, Iraq, Panama.. all had cold war excuses, but in reality it was funding money towards US business so they could grow and get bigger and bigger.
    Precisely.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Precisely.
    Actually guesswork.

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And something you should think about.

    History matters.

    What the US did in the cold war does matter, both the good and bad. And in South and Central America's case most of what the US did was bad and the US of today can not run from this history.

    Sadly it seems some in the US wants to repeat that history and have learned nothing from the last 50+ years of supporting brutal dictators and not allowing people to live as they want.

    Chavez is just a reaction to this history, just as the Mullahs in Tehran are a reaction to this history and so on and so on and you can keep denying this and ignoring these facts, but that wont make them be less of a fact and it wont make them go away.
    Explain why it was done and move on. And remind people continuously that those that profited most were the allies in Asia and Europe.

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Using the Cold War to justify US CIA atrocities in Latin America!?!?
    Yep. It was necessary, or seemed so at the time, to win the war.

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, not just three Americans, that's the visible ones. You've no idea how the CIA works apparently.
    LOL. A Venezuela truther, there's a new one. Yeah I'm sure it's those stupid Americans and absolutely has nothing to do with their failed policies.

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