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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Venezuela is facing a protracted political crisis. Images depicting its streets tell the tale: Student unrest coalesced into massive demonstrations around the country, triggering a violent crackdown on opposition leaders and protesters. The ensuing violence and destructive confrontations over the last several weeks have left at least 13 people dead and scores wounded, with casualties on both sides. Tensions remain high.

    Headlines in the United States broadcast unchallenged narratives of widespread discontent with mounting economic woes and denounce the ensuing repression by an unpopular and discredited administration barely clinging to power. But the reality in Venezuela is far more complicated and nuanced than what the media and the U.S. government spin suggests.

    For instance, it is difficult to say who is responsible for provoking the conflict. Despite the uncertainty over who is inciting the violence, the U.S. government and press largely condemn President Nicolas Maduro’s administration while framing the protests as popular revolution, in some cases tacitly or even overtly rooting for regime change.

    America’s unfettered leverage

    The United States’ disenchantment with Venezuelan politics in the last 15 years is no secret. The U.S. has a sordid history of exerting unfettered influence in Latin America. It has supported the ouster of democratically elected governments and backed strongmen whose policies advance U.S. economic and political interests, inflicting incalculable suffering on the most vulnerable citizens of those countries.

    After being sworn into office in 1999, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who died in office last year, instituted policies that have been a thorn in the side of successive U.S. administrations and posed a lasting challenge to Washington’s hegemony in the region. The U.S. has not taken kindly to that, providing funding for “democracy promotion” initiatives in the country through organizations that have historically destabilized left-leaning governments. The 2014 U.S. foreign operations budget includes at least $5 million for supporting opposition activities in Venezuela. Despite their lofty labels, these projects did little to enhance the popular political participation of Venezuela’s people. While the U.S. casts its condemnation of the government’s response as unswerving support for principles of democracy and freedom, its position runs contrary to the democratically expressed will of the Venezuelan people.

    Venezuela faces serious economic challenges, and people are understandably concerned about scarcity and financial instability. Outrage about rampant crime cuts across all sectors of the country, and there are no easy solutions for Maduro or an opposition-led government. But a narrow focus on high inflation, crime and shortages of food and consumer goods masks the country’s unparalleled progress in poverty reduction.

    Venezuela has the lowest income inequality in Latin America and the Caribbean. A detailed analysis by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) found that poverty in Venezuela dropped by almost 50 percent and extreme poverty declined by 70 percent since 2004.These gains reflect an increase in cash income only and do not include other benefits that measurably improve quality of life, including access to education and health care. Similar growth indicators from the U.N.’s 2013 Human Development Report and the World Bank suggest that the alarm over the imminent collapse of the Venezuelan economy is unsupported by objective data. "
    The US should respect Venezuela’s democracy | Al Jazeera America
    Ah yes, the "it's complicated, you wouldn't understand" excuse...spare me.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah yes, the "it's complicated, you wouldn't understand" excuse...spare me.
    Well saying the article goes on to explain the situation..... Didnt really state "you wouldnt understand" instead tried to pain the whole picture.


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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    This thread is just filled with stupid.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well saying the article goes on to explain the situation..... Didnt really state "you wouldnt understand" instead tried to pain the whole picture.
    No you didn't. However, when you use an article that starts it's premise with terms like "...it's a bit more nuanced..." we all know what follows.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    This thread is just filled with stupid.
    Well that fixed it there.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No you didn't. However, when you use an article that starts it's premise with terms like "...it's a bit more nuanced..." we all know what follows.
    Right, because everything's black and white.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well that fixed it there.
    I mean, just look at the first page:

    We have people repeatedly saying that "leftists can't take criticism" (lol what? because rightist regimes don't have protests?), someone who wants to send in SOF, and someone that believes that any protests in the world are supported by the US.

    It'd take a thousand monkeys a thousand years to come up with a page that special.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I mean, just look at the first page:

    We have people repeatedly saying that "leftists can't take criticism" (lol what? because rightist regimes don't have protests?), someone who wants to send in SOF, and someone that believes that any protests in the world are supported by the US.

    It'd take a thousand monkeys a thousand years to come up with a page that special.
    Well you know I don't want to send in SOF, and, if there's protests anywhere in the world that threaten a government that the US would like to see toppled, only an idiot or a naive guy or an apologist would deny US intrigue. Which one are you Old?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No you didn't. However, when you use an article that starts it's premise with terms like "...it's a bit more nuanced..." we all know what follows.
    Well, we know that nuance has a distinctly leftist bias, don't we? Goodies vs. baddies is a much more conservative approach, I've always found.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True or false: the US would be in a better spot if American presidents made better decisions. Regardless of foreign history in the area.
    Absolutely true.

    Every country makes bad decisions. Some just make them more frequently and the results are more disasterous. Like with Venezuela and their economic policy.

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