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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Listen.. yes people voted for Chavez, and they got what they got. Point is that they voted for him because the largely conservative right wing parties had abandoned them. And "them" are the majority of Venezuelans. Now had the largely conservative right wing parties not been utterly corrupt to big business and the elite 1%, and actually represented the people when in power.. then there would have been no overreaction aka moving to Chavez.

    Also it does not help that these same right wing forces in Venezuela then try to remove Chavez via a coup and by all accounts these coup makers were very much supported by the US. Now even if it was not true (it was of course at least partly true), the damage is done because of the accusation and the fact that the US has done similar before in multiple countries in Central and South America. All the failed coup did was to embolden the majority downtrodden masses that vote for Chavez and his party. It gave Chavez and his people the excuse to hit down on the opposition and media outlets..

    In the end it is the people of Venezuela that have to do the change and move more towards the centre, but as it stands now that wont happen. What we see in Venezuela has quite a few similarities to other countries where the elected governments were undermined by right wing opposition and the US and I have no doubt that Chavez's side will exploit that for now, regardless if it is true or not. It is what they are doing now. The idea of putting guards in supermarkets to prevent price gauging is the first step in nationalizing the whole thing.. why? Because those supermarkets are owned by the 1%, and have deep links to the right wing political parties and governments of the past. It is the same thing he did towards the media.

    As I see it, the only thing that can change Venezuela is if the military steps in and removes Maduro... unlike Chavez he aint a military man and the chaos in the country can get so bad that they feel compelled to step in. This will of course start a civil war.
    That is some bit of revisionist history you have going on there....But in the end I agree it is up to the people.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, but that decision making would not happen if it was not for the "old history". Chavez would never have been put in power had it not been for the US backed right wing governments over the decades that increased poverty in Venezuela. Because of this there is a reaction to the total opposite side and we see somewhat the end result today.

    It is no different than centuries of right wing royalist governments resulted in the rise of socialism and communism...
    True or false: Venezuela would be in a better spot if Chavez made better decisions; regardless of the US's history in the area.

    Because by your logic, France/England should be blamed for the Holocaust.

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Excusing US interventions that toppled democratically elected governments, installing dictators does not bring stability, and is typical of those who refuse to hold the US accountable for its atrocities. It had nothing to do with stability and everything to do with corporate exploitation. But you feel better about yourself I suppose in believing we were doing good.
    How wrong you are, shows in your assumption that "doing good" could be a factor in such decisions. Children and persons who have neither studied nor dealt in these things often believe so. But that is naiveté in a pure form..

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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    True or false: Venezuela would be in a better spot if Chavez made better decisions; regardless of the US's history in the area.
    True.

    Now your turn

    True or false.. would Chavez even have gained power if it was not for the US meddling in Central and South America and its links to the right in Venezuela?
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    True.

    Now your turn

    True or false.. would Chavez even have gained power if it was not for the US meddling in Central and South America and its links to the right in Venezuela?

    Depends...people in general are pretty dumb, and gullible....
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is some bit of revisionist history you have going on there....But in the end I agree it is up to the people.
    What exactly is revisionist?
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What exactly is revisionist?
    Your post.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Depends...people in general are pretty dumb, and gullible....
    US involvement in Central and South American politics is well know and established. US backing of right wing governments is well know and established. So it is a yes and no answer and it is pretty easy to answer. You can replace Chavez with the Shah of Iran if you want.. the answer is the same.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    US involvement in Central and South American politics is well know and established. US backing of right wing governments is well know and established. So it is a yes and no answer and it is pretty easy to answer. You can replace Chavez with the Shah of Iran if you want.. the answer is the same.

    So tell me, in freeing the people from the yoke of the terrible mean ol USA and their influence, how much better off are they now? Yes, please do compare then to now....I'd love to see that.
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    Re: Fears of more protest clashes high in Venezuela

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    How wrong you are, shows in your assumption that "doing good" could be a factor in such decisions. Children and persons who have neither studied nor dealt in these things often believe so. But that is naiveté in a pure form..
    Killing people in the name of defending people makes no sense. Killing people is murder unless its foreign policy. Your the same guy to bitch the loudest when Hussein, Assad and Gaddafi do it and tight lipped when your own government does. You have company though, if that's any consolation.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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