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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    But, in your view, apparently it should be.
    No, what i said was it had merit. Its worth debating. My actual opinion is that everyone should pay taxes. And that everyone has a right to consent to be governed (vote).

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Sure there is. Its the model used in almost every other form of organization in the country. If you own stock in a company you can vote. If you pay for a membership in a co-op you have a say. If you pay for a product you are effectively voting with your dollars. Clubs have membership fees to allow people to vote. Its natural to make sure people have a stake in a system before they are allowed to decide its actions. Whats anti-american is this current dependency on govt, such that a significant number of voters do not pay for the system which they benefit from.
    Comparing those things to voting is absurd.
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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Technically its more in line with our founder's ideas on government than what we have now.
    Even more reason we shouldn't be overly concerned with the ideas of people that died hundreds of years ago and had absolutely no idea what society would be like in the year 2014.

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Taxes, baby....taxes. Let people see just who pays for what and maybe just maybe slow the never ending class warfare that goes on. The rich can afford to not earn bank for a bit it and the rest can afford to have their eyes opened.
    The oppressed rich are forced to pay way too many taxes. Wealth distribution in the United States clearly shows how badly their lifestyles are hindered by it. /s

    Maybe if things were less skewed in their favor everybody else would be capable of paying more taxes. Start paying people fair wages and stop allowing the government to subsidize corporations. When the 1% no longer control an insanely obscene amount of the wealth in this country I will consider their moaning about taxes to be slightly less ridiculous.

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah because it's garbage. There's nothing inherent about owning property that makes you more important to society than say, someone who chooses to rent.
    As a renter - I would disagree. Those who own property are more invested in the future of their communities, and more likely to make far-sighted decisions concerning its governance.

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Call me crazy, but I do consider the wealthy generally to be more apt politically given their relatively greater "skin in the game."
    How do poor people not have comparable skin in the game? Them being able to earn enough money to put food on the table and pay their bills is in jeopardy because the right wing wants to drag us into Feudalism. Rich people are worried that they might not be able to afford their fifth yacht this year. Poor people are worried about how they are going to make ends meet and provide for their family on 8 dollars an hour when they are already working 2 jobs.
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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The idea that "Class Warfare" against the rich in the U.S. actually exists is laughable.

    It's only "Class Warfare" when the shots are fired upwards.
    That's like stomping the **** out of another country to steal their resources and then complaining about the resistance.

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post

    EDIT: I take that back...the democrats and republicans are both funded by the rich and are in power.
    Get money out of politics and hit the reset button.

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    How do poor people not have comparable skin in the game? Them being able to earn enough money to put food on the table and pay their bills is in jeopardy because the right wing wants to drag us back into Feudalism. Rich people are worried that they might not be able to afford their fifth yacht this year. Poor people are worried about how they are going to make ends meet and provide for their family on 8 dollars an hour when they are already working 2 jobs.
    On a stridently simplistic level, compare governance in poor communities to that of rich communities.

    Or, if you please, answer me this: who cares more emotionally about a company going bankrupt--the janitor or the founder?

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    Re: Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Or, if you please, answer me this: who cares more emotionally about a company going bankrupt--the janitor or the founder?
    The founder probably cares more about the company, but chances are he could just retire comfortably after it goes bankrupt. That janitor might not find another job in time and end up losing everything.

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