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Food prices soar as incomes stand still

ttwtt78640 said:
There are many ways to do this and the gov't intends to use them all. The gov't has a vested interest (pun intended) to keep the official inflation number low: it is a huge borrower and has all sorts of programs (e.g. Social Security and gov't pensions) that have built in COLAs. Try a search on the topic (Gov't lies about inflation) and you will see many interesting links.

Steak, Hamburger and Dog Food: How the Government Lies About the Real Inflation Rate

Why Lie About Inflation? Because It Covers Up Bigger Lies | Gains Pains & Capital
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Was anyone really thinking government wasn't cooking the numbers to try to placate the masses while stealing from us and giving to their corporate masters?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There are many ways to do this and the gov't intends to use them all. The gov't has a vested interest (pun intended) to keep the official inflation number low: it is a huge borrower and has all sorts of programs (e.g. Social Security and gov't pensions) that have built in COLAs. Try a search on the topic (Gov't lies about inflation) and you will see many interesting links.

Steak, Hamburger and Dog Food: How the Government Lies About the Real Inflation Rate

Why Lie About Inflation? Because It Covers Up Bigger Lies | Gains Pains & Capital
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That certainly is part of it. Our government destroys perfectly good food at a record pace, but at the same time this winter has been brutal and you can be assured that transportation costs have gone way up, with unnecessary fuel being used on idle in traffic, refrigerated trucks on overload, delays, spoilage of product.... Of course you have inflation, not to mention regulations and farm subsidies...

It's one big can of our federal government torturing their citizens just for the fun of it.
 
Ikari said:
Was anyone really thinking government wasn't cooking the numbers to try to placate the masses while stealing from us and giving to their corporate masters?
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It would appear to be so. Many are true believers in big gov't (and what it tells them is so). ;)
 
sangha said:
You sound confused. the post I responded complained because people weren't complaining about some rich people such as actors or athletes.

furthermore, I haven't judged anyone. Please go through the thread and if you can find a quote of me saying anything negative about any wealthy person, then please post it.

All I did was ask why I should feel sympathy for the wealthy. I think it's revealing that you can't find one reason why I should

SO I'll ask you again - Why should I feel bad for the wealthy?
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You have decided that you shouldn't really care about what is being said about a group of people because they have money. Of COURSE you are judging people.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It would appear to be so. Many are true believers in big gov't (and what it tells them is so). ;)
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Republocrats will believe anything to keep their illusion of proper government alive. But it's been doing these sorts of things for decades. When was the last time the government told the truth? I sure as heck can't remember.
 
Ikari said:
Was anyone really thinking government wasn't cooking the numbers to try to placate the masses while stealing from us and giving to their corporate masters?
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Yes but since the government is a wholy owned subsidiary of Corporate America and the 1% whose profits are soaring, it's pretty disingenuous to claim that corporate and 1%ers greed isn't the real reason the numbers are cooked to placate the masses.
 
jmotivator said:
You have decided that you shouldn't really care about what is being said about a group of people because they have money. Of COURSE you are judging people.
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So you still can't give me one good reason for why I should care about those poor, poor, wealthy CEO's and the injustice they face because someone on the internet doesn't like them

How revealing!!
 
GottaGo said:
Folks like me? And who would that be, pray tell.

Kindly back up your '$16 a year' figure... I'd really love to see that.
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I wouldn't mind seeing how those figures were arrived at either. Businesses need to make a profit, and if both labor costs and wholesale food costs go up, causing retail food costs to follow, they are going to have to raise their prices. I don't see any way around that, unfortunately.

Greetings, GottaGo. :2wave:
 
Summerwind said:
Yes but since the government is a wholy owned subsidiary of Corporate America and the 1% whose profits are soaring, it's pretty disingenuous to claim that corporate and 1%ers greed isn't the real reason the numbers are cooked to placate the masses.
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Yes, the rising of Corporate Capitalism is the dynamic that causes the closure of economic mobility, entangles government and corporate body, and ultimately is cause of the problem. Greed is the main cause, the desire to install proper aristocracy with wealth contained in the hands as few as possible. But government is the one cooking the books to hide these dynamics. I didn't say that Corporate Capitalism and the rise to fascism isn't the real reason the numbers are cooked, rather that government is cooking them in order to placate the masses while stealing from us and giving to their corporate masters.
 
polgara said:
I wouldn't mind seeing how those figures were arrived at either. Businesses need to make a profit, and if both labor costs and wholesale food costs go up, causing retail food costs to follow, they are going to have to raise their prices. I don't see any way around that, unfortunately.

Greetings, GottaGo. :2wave:
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Labor is a small portion of the costs of producing food and delivering it to consumers. And the portion of labor that is minimum wage is only a portion of that small portion so raising the MW has only a small effect
 
Ikari said:
Yes, the rising of Corporate Capitalism is the dynamic that causes the closure of economic mobility, entangles government and corporate body, and ultimately is cause of the problem. Greed is the main cause, the desire to install proper aristocracy with wealth contained in the hands as few as possible. But government is the one cooking the books to hide these dynamics. I didn't say that Corporate Capitalism and the rise to fascism isn't the real reason the numbers are cooked, rather that government is cooking them in order to placate the masses while stealing from us and giving to their corporate masters.
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Thanks, just wanted to make sure you realized who is really pulling those strings on our puppet government.
 
sangha said:
Labor is a small portion of the costs of producing food and delivering it to consumers. And the portion of labor that is minimum wage is only a portion of that small portion so raising the MW has only a small effect
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What?

Labor and transportation are a HUGE factor in the cost of food - just like any other product.
 
sangha said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You had to add transportation!!! :lamo
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What's so funny? transportation is a large cost in the price of goods.

Why you think 20lb flat screen LCD TV's are so cheap? well they don't weigh 70-100 pounds a piece and come in boxes (depending on the size of your TV) that are 6 inches by 36 inches... Hence, easier to transport - hence why the US has taken over the market in flat screen TV's..... But that is just an example, while I could use many.
 
From the linked article:
It's is not her imagination. While the government says prices are up 6.4 percent since 2011, chicken is up 18.4 percent, ground beef is up 16.8 percent and bacon has skyrocketed up 22.8 percent...
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Oh, but inflation is only 6.something%.

Phfft! The way the government calculates cost of living increases / inflation the numbers don't mean anything anymore. Essentially, they're lying to us... again.
 
Mr.Nick said:
What's so funny? transportation is a large cost in the price of goods.
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What's so funny?

The fact that you seem totally oblivious to the fact that I was responding to someone who asked why an increase in the minimum wage would not lead to a big increase in the cost of food to the consumer.

We were not talking about transportation at all. Try to understand what people are talking about before jumping in.
 
Mr.Nick said:
What's so funny? transportation is a large cost in the price of goods.

Why you think 20lb flat screen LCD TV's are so cheap? well they don't weigh 70-100 pounds a piece and come in boxes (depending on the size of your TV) that are 6 inches by 36 inches... Hence, easier to transport - hence why the US has taken over the market in flat screen TV's..... But that is just an example, while I could use many.
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His point was that a MW increase would have little food price impact, not that transportation (or any other) costs are not also important.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
His point was that a MW increase would have little food price impact, not that transportation (or any other) costs are not also important.
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Yes, we were talking about how food is becoming unaffordable for the poor and someone suggested that raising the minimum wage would help make food more affordable for the poor. No one suggested that making transportation more expensive would make easier for the poor to afford food.
 
sangha said:
Yes, we were talking about how food is becoming unaffordable for the poor and someone suggested that raising the minimum wage would help make food more affordable for the poor. No one suggested that making transportation more expensive would make easier for the poor to afford food.
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Jamesrage a few years ago posted an article stating that the removal of illegal immigrants as farm workers would have a minimal impact on food prices at the retail level, perhaps 5% if I recall correctly

For food, the cost is of labor I believe about 20%


A side note

In Canada it costs $5000 to ship a truck load from Ontario to Alberta. I believe about 3000 miles

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sangha said:
So you still can't give me one good reason for why I should care about those poor, poor, wealthy CEO's and the injustice they face because someone on the internet doesn't like them

How revealing!!
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Because they are people.

You think that they shouldn't be granted common courtesy because they make too much money, according you you.

How not surprising!!
 
clownboy said:
Actually no, though I had to look that one up. Neither has onboard B12, but the brewer's yeast that is offerred in grocery stores and health food chains all has the added B12. Nutrional yeast lacks some of the minerals the brewer's yeast has.

BREWERS YEAST VERSUS NUTRITIONAL YEAST
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Sorry didn't elaborate, I meant for use in cooking (outside of breads and things that need to rise) nutritional yeast works better as a flavoring because it doesn't have the bitterness brewers does.
What the Heck is Nutritional Yeast? | recipe from FatFree Vegan Kitchen

Personally I would just as soon take a veggie B12 a couple times a week as I don't think nutritional yeast taste that much like cheese but I've got enough to keep checking out recipes for a while.
 
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fmw said:
In the same manner they lie about nearly everything that has a political element. They pick and choose the facts that make them look best. I don't doubt that they have some explanation for their numbers but I do doubt that inflation is 1% I see more than that, not only in food and fuel but in the selling prices of products in the industry in which I work. Sorry, I do not automatically accept what the government tells me. In fact, I tend to doubt everything the government tells me. If you think inflation is that low, then you are lucky. You won't worry about prices like I do.
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Well food and fuel are volatile and fluctuate widely which is why economists use the core index to make decisions. In a given month it may be as high as 4% in others it may have dived 4% but year over year it only accounts to 1% due to volatility of food.
 
jmotivator said:
Because they are people.
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Yeah, and?


You think that they shouldn't be granted common courtesy because they make too much money, according you you.

How not surprising!!
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Common courtesy does not require to come to the defense of every person who ever has their feelings hurt, particularly when they are perfectly capable of defending themselves.

And I find it pretty hypocritical of you to complain about judging people based on how much money they have given the multitude of posts you have written that judge poor people based on how much money they don't have.

jmotivator said:
So why should I care about "income inequality" if the working poor choose to work less?
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jmotivator said:
Obviously income inequality isn't the defining challenge of our day since the Obama administration is now arguing that Ocare is given the working poor the "economic freedom" to work less.

If they can choose to make less money willingly then obviously I have no need to give a crap about income inequality...
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jmotivator said:
I am not going to argue that the "Work less, sponge more!" approach hasn't been very effective for the Democrats. It's nice to see you admit that is the whole point of the ACA, though.

What your slogan misses is the fact that the "get less" is a function of Democrat policies that place road blocks for all working poor where they are discouraged from working more because they will lose their handouts, and by working less they hurt their future earning potential.

But it isn't like it's a big secret that the whole point of Democrat Party policies of the last 70 years have been to steal the incentive and hope of an ever growing dependency class who collect government checks and are only asked to get their butts off of the couch on election day.
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Suddenly your blather about not judging people based on how much money they have is shown to be a load of crap
 
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