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Food prices soar as incomes stand still

GottaGo said:
You still don't understand the difference between spending a dollar on chips and a dollar on an apple, do you?

I offer free classes.... ;)
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You still don't understand that nutrition classes don't put money in the pockets of the poor, do you?
 
sangha said:
You still don't understand that nutrition classes don't put money in the pockets of the poor, do you?
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I'm not talking about putting additional money in the 'pockets of the poor', it's about educating them why better nutritional choices will help them in the long run.

If you give them additional money without information, where do you think they are going to spend that money? And who pays for those choices in the long run?
 
GottaGo said:
it's about educating them why better nutritional choices will help them in the long run.
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Better nutritional choices many of them cannot afford.
 
Anomalism said:
Better nutritional choices many of them cannot afford.
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Bull****. I live on $50 a week in food with a healthy vegan diet including multivitamins.
 
ecofarm said:
Bull****. I live on $50 a week in food with a healthy vegan diet including multivitamins.
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That 50 dollars a week covers you and your entire family?
 
ecofarm said:
Bull****. I live on $50 a week in food with a healthy vegan diet including multivitamins.
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Yeah, and you can do even better by foregoing the vitamins which do nothing for ya. :mrgreen:
 
GottaGo said:
I'm not talking about putting additional money in the 'pockets of the poor', it's about educating them why better nutritional choices will help them in the long run.

If you give them additional money without information, where do you think they are going to spend that money? And who pays for those choices in the long run?
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Education does not make the unaffordable magically become affordable.

It appears that you do not understand what the word "affordable" means
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, and you can do even better by foregoing the vitamins which do nothing for ya. :mrgreen:
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Actually, I need the multis. While much of it is not bioavailable and is just pissed out, it serves as a safety net for my iron, zinc, b-complex and other nutrients.
 
Anomalism said:
That 50 dollars a week covers you and your entire family?
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It covers me, very comfortably. Right now, I'm cooking asparagus, mushrooms, spinach and black eyed peas (all on sale at Publix, except the dried beans).

I eat very well on the equivalent of food stamps. I don't drink soda or buy any junk food. I look for sales and mind my nutritional needs. Trader Joes has a great deal on squash the past couple months. I get a huge butternut for $2, spaghetti squash for 2.5 and an acorn for 2.5.

Whenever Publix has 2 for 1 on pasta and spaghetti sauce, I buy it. I like a handful of kidney beans with the spaghetti sauce on spaghetti squash, but I take the pasta to supplement calorie needs when necessary.

About once a month, Publix has 2 for 1 on hummus. I like to get that and sandwich fixings with nice bread.

Of course, I never eat at restaurants, unless a date is paying.


And all cruelty free.
 
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sangha said:
Education does not make the unaffordable magically become affordable.

It appears that you do not understand what the word "affordable" means
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Your intentional blindness is a sad statement about helping people understand food and nutritional needs. Healthy food is 'affordable', if you cut out the crap food.

You would rather let low income people continue to eat crap, not provide them with information regarding nutrition that could change their lives, for what purpose?
 
GottaGo said:
Your intentional blindness is a sad statement about helping people understand food and nutritional needs. Healthy food is 'affordable', if you cut out the crap food.

You would rather let low income people continue to eat crap, not provide them with information regarding nutrition that could change their lives, for what purpose?
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"Unaffordable" does not mean "affordable if they make different decisions"
 
GottaGo said:
Your intentional blindness is a sad statement about helping people understand food and nutritional needs. Healthy food is 'affordable', if you cut out the crap food.

You would rather let low income people continue to eat crap, not provide them with information regarding nutrition that could change their lives, for what purpose?
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A box of macaroni and cheese is about $1.00 and you can feed three kids lunch on it. Do you have any examples of foods that are more nutritious that you can feed three kids on for the amount of money?

I don't necessarily think you are wrong but I do think it takes a great deal of creativity, resourcefulness and time at the very least.

I would love some examples.
 
ecofarm said:
Actually, I need the multis. While much of it is not bioavailable and is just pissed out, it serves as a safety net for my iron, zinc, b-complex and other nutrients.
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If you're a vegan all that is already provided by your diet.
 
clownboy said:
If you're a vegan all that is already provided by your diet.
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Vegans struggle to get enough iron and zinc (and other minor minerals), despite greens, beans and nuts every day. We also struggle with b-complex because b12 is very rare in plants. My multis serve as a safety net, I take about half of one per day. A whole one after a night of drinking or when I feel down.

I've been vegan over 15 years.
 
Carjosse said:
Well personally I don't think a 2 cent increase (a rather high estimate) on a box of Kraft Dinner in exchange for less sulphur in the air is unreasonable.
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Food prices aren't due to a fight against sulphur. It results from inflation. I will get worse. Much, much worse. The big losers are the retired.
 
ecofarm said:
Vegans struggle to get enough iron and zinc (and other minor minerals), despite greens, beans and nuts every day. We also struggle with b-complex because b12 is very rare in plants. My multis serve as a safety net, I take about half of one per day. A whole one after a night of drinking or when I feel down.

I've been vegan over 15 years.
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B12 comes from bacterial action not from plants or meat. A little brewer's yeast more than takes care of that requirement. The food you were preparing above, all heavy in both iron and zinc.
 
clownboy said:
B12 comes from bacterial action not from plants or meat. A little brewer's yeast more than takes care of that requirement. The food you were preparing above, all heavy in both iron and zinc.
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I know my nutrition. I studied it for years as a matter of personal survival. B12 is available in Nori and Cholera seaweeds. I'll check out the brewers yeast, haven't tried that before, thanks.
 
j-mac said:
I have spoken on this several times in the past, and as a truck driver that delivers the bread, and milk that you buy, I can attest to the many factors driving the costs of these items. Much of this inflation is artificially imposed due to factors of outside influences from government, and alike.

1. The price of diesel fuel...."Diesel fuel, the kind of fuel commonly used in commercial trucks, has not always been more expensive than the standard gasoline used in passenger vehicles. On paper at least, diesel fuel is a less refined petroleum distillate than gasoline, so it should always be cheaper to produce than gasoline...

In recent years, the federal government has mandated changes to the acceptable sulfur level of diesel fuel, and refiners must comply with these mandates to create an ultra low sulfur diesel fuel product. This means significant investments in new technology and several distillations before the finished fuel is deemed acceptable by government inspectors. All of these additional regulations and high-tech equipment can cost billions of dollars, and these expenses are often passed onto consumers through higher prices.

There are also higher federal excise taxes placed on diesel fuel compared to standard gasoline. Some critics suggest the federal government is less eager to impose higher taxes on millions of private drivers than thousands of commercial drivers who use a less popular fuel. Part of the reason diesel fuel is more expensive than gas is the total amount of federal and state taxes added to each gallon."

Why is Diesel Fuel More Expensive Than Gasoline?

2. the cost of uncertainty due to Obamacare...."Last week the president, for the second time in about seven months, delayed the employer mandate, which requires medium- and large-sized businesses to offer insurance to employers.The original Jan. 1, 2014, start for the mandate, which requires businesses with 50 to 99 full-time employees to offer the insurance or face a tax penalty, was delayed in July for one year. On Monday, Obama delayed it until 2016."

Republicans: Obama violating Constitution, but little can be done about it | Fox News

In fact, Obama has changed the law something like 27 times without going to congress to do it...If anyone thinks that these trends are business friendly to spurring growth, or lower prices then I have a bridge to sell them....

The bottom line is that the progressive attack on capitalism is going to cost everyone, even those who can't afford it....So in the end, progressivism hurts the people it claims to help the most.
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You are correct JMAC......Prices are going up. I was even thinking about throwing up a thread about how all Team Obama and the Democrats say things are improving and then what can be shown in reality as it is otherwise.

This is one area to look at. Beef is going up and now of course they are using the excuse of the drought in California. Dairy Products are up. Sugar, Cereal, Coffee, and Chocolate to rise up doubling what it is now. Which inflation is hitting some of these areas and will hit some more. As the Fed eases back on its buying program.
 
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