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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Reminds me of the ol' GW Bush there. heheh



    Being a millionaire today means less than being on in the 2000's, or the 90's, or the 80's. My current salary in 1950 would make me a rich rich man. So we have to be able to normalize the data to something, because just saying there are more millionaires now doesn't really mean all that much. The true metric is wealth aggregation and disparity.
    Being "a millionaire" may mean the person owns a 700 square foot 1 bedroom condo.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    For a person to claim the care about the poor is worthless and gratuitous words. Government policies - federal state and local - destroyed the USA's industrial and manufacturing base in irreversible and worsening ways. Politics has evolved to simply buying votes by promising free money. There are no jobs for the poor to have - and the dwindling number of those who work and only contribute in ratio to those who only consume assure the continued decline of the United States.

    As it does, the cries for ever more socialistic policies, cursing industry and business, and economic collapse will grow as with the debt of increasingly declining monetary values. There isn't much of the USA to sell off to even try to pay the interests. Promises of free money will be dealt with by increasing inflation.

    There is no point to claiming concerns for the poor other than gratuitous words of no value.

    Most of those who are "super wealthy" will never allow their wealth to be seized and there are dozens of countries and places more than eager receive and protect their wealth and, if they wish, to welcome them to their country. If I remember correctly, the current going rate for permanent visa in the tax free Bahamas is around 1 million. Citizenship is much higher. But it is close to the USA. Other countries are much cheaper.

    To this, the socialists - ie new Democratic Party - will say "good riddance!" and demand they never be allowed back to the USA to assure that not one of their dollars returns here.

    While cursing companies that offshore their operations, every possible thing is done to expand doing so as placating is a necessity for our dollars to still be honors and our endlessly growing debt to be loaned against in exchange for nearly everything Americans have and buy - all things that used to be manufactured here by evil American industry large and small.

    There is no value in expressing concern for "the poor" because that concern has no value, other than to socialists who claim the solution is for the government to go take money from other people and from those businesses unable to escape due to the nature of their business. Besides, the Democratic Party is owned by the superrich as much as are Republicans. The socialist's target is the merchant class, who are not wealthy enough to buy government.

    I care about my family, that is where my concerns are. There is nothing I can do for a 15 year old drop out, a 30 year old alcoholic, or a 75 year old who didn't save a dollar. Since I can change nothing, any words of concern I would express are worthless. However, since I am financially secure I also have no reason to find others to rage at or claim owe me something or cry about how unfair life or government or those people or companies are.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't think that is accurate.
    It is quite accurate. The rural poor vote Republican.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I'm only throwing stones at those who are here to defend themselves.
    Like the people you accuse of "sponging". They're all here!

    The same applies regardless of the person's income, be they recipient of corporate welfare, individual welfare, or farmers paid to not plant crops. I am faulting you for your incessant reliance on class warfare, my sponge comments are not. The poor who fall into the Democrats trap are making entirely rational decisions based on Democrats phony promises.
    Where did you get the idea that people who stop working are receiving any sort of public assistance? You're making stuff up to attack people (like the way you invented the claim that I have judged wealthy people) who are not here.


    I never said I wasn't judging anyone, I am simply not judging anyone based on income.
    Sure you were but by now, I don't expect you to be honest about it. You still haven't admitted that you were making stuff up when you claimed that I was judging the wealthy. Don't make the mistake of thinking I have forgotten that you *still* have yet to post a quote of mine where I did that.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Being "anti government" = "conspiracy nut"?
    No, the the government is lying to us about inflation does.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    No, the the government is lying to us about inflation does.
    ....the government lies about a bunch of ****. Why would this be any different?
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Every part of the world in every economic system has "super wealthy."

    Be-good regulatory policies shut down virtually every major US industry. Any rational business person would offshore every aspect of their business they possibly can.

    Its not like that isn't Obama's policy. The GM loans had a specific usage. They financed new GM factories in China. As the last of industry and capital flees from the USA, those destroying this country rage it isn't happening fast enough.
    I didn't say it doesn't. But in systems built upon economic mobility and free market principles, the wealth gaps are a bit less and the specific families and individuals who possess that wealth are more fluid.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ....the government lies about a bunch of ****. Why would this be any different?
    Politicians lie, government statisticians don't and have no need to.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Politicians lie, government statisticians don't and have no need to.
    Of course they do. Numbers are always skewed or pulled in one direction or another. Government statisticians are government, and government lies about as much as it can to excuse it's own growth and power. Even things such as DUI stats are inflated to make things look worse than they are to excuse more government intervention. Nothing filtered through the glasses of government comes out impartial.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course they do. Numbers are always skewed or pulled in one direction or another.
    But there's a huge difference between calculating and interpreting. Statistical agency employees gain no benefit from lying, but politicians have interest in creative interpretations.
    Government statisticians are government, and government lies about as much as it can to excuse it's own growth and power.
    The people calculating the numbers do not gain from growth and gain no power. Now, studies done by policy makers may well be skewed, but regular econ statistics are done by professionals with no agenda except accuracy. I used to be one of them. There was never ever any attempt by any of us to make the numbers come out a certain way, and even if we wanted to, it would have been practically impossible.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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