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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Geez what a pile of hypocrisy you just posted!

    No one said you have to sit back. All I did was ask why I should care, a question you still can't provide a good answer to

    So go ahead and whine about how those other "bad" people are throwing stones in order to justify why you are so right in getting up and doing the same.
    I'm only throwing stones at those who are here to defend themselves.

    Yeah, right. There's nothing judgmental about claiming that people who have chosen to not work, for whatever reason, have chosen to "sponge more"

    BTW, with all your accusations about how I've judged the wealthy, you still haven't posted any quote of mine where I say anything judgmental about the wealthy.
    The same applies regardless of the person's income, be they recipient of corporate welfare, individual welfare, or farmers paid to not plant crops. I am faulting you for your incessant reliance on class warfare, my sponge comments are not. The poor who fall into the Democrats trap are making entirely rational decisions based on Democrats phony promises.

    Your entire attitude is rife with judgment, but I guess that's only wrong when I judge, even though I haven't made any judgment about the wealthy. It's becoming more and more obvious that your comments about judging are nothing more than an attack you toss around whenever someone disagrees with you and has nothing to do with you actually being opposed to having people make judgments (as demonstrated by your own rampant habit of judging others)
    I never said I wasn't judging anyone, I am simply not judging anyone based on income. I am challenging the idiotic Democrat lead policies that have done nothing but create dependency and government bloat wherever it is applied. That isn't to say that the Republican party hasn't also contributed heavily to government bloat over the years, but right now the Democrats defend the 30+% increase in government spending since 2008 as if the world would end without it, and always defending the government bloat on the grounds that the poor couldn't possibly live without it while demonizing anyone with money.

    The Democratic party of the 2000s is a disaster to prosperity in America. They like to hold up Bill Clinton as a role model while sprinting hard left from every single Clinton policy of the 1990s with the only real exception being the Clintons fight for single payer in the early 90s. The average business owner in the 1990s could at least expect that the administration was not seeking to punish them for making money, and were on the same page on the need to a stable, long-term consistent economy to allow long term business planning. Democrats today are an unmitigated disaster, wreaking havoc in the economy, inflating the housing market with trillions in government backed loans that killed the healthy risk assessment in the markets to creating uncertainty with every new law and every new short term exemption from said law, and then blaming the businesses trying to stay afloat in the middle of Typhoon Obama for casting off ballast.

    You want to know what is wrong with the economy, and why the poor remain poor, look no further than today's Democratic Party and the nearest mirror. Your party of choice has made poverty the rational short term solution while greatly reducing the ability to make long term plans.

    Do I care about the poor? You better believe I care about the poor like I care about everyone. I care enough about them to to hope they plug their ears the the Democrats siren song of free money before they dash the future on the rocks. I also do this for people of every level of income. The less everyone relies of the Government for a solution the quicker things get solved.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, now there is a throw back argument...."If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem..."
    Reminds me of the ol' GW Bush there. heheh

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There are more millionaires now than in the 2000s, and more in the 2000s than in the 90s, and more in the 90s than in the 80s....and so on....In fact, at this point there are more millionaires in the United States as a country, than anywhere else in the world as a concentration.
    Being a millionaire today means less than being on in the 2000's, or the 90's, or the 80's. My current salary in 1950 would make me a rich rich man. So we have to be able to normalize the data to something, because just saying there are more millionaires now doesn't really mean all that much. The true metric is wealth aggregation and disparity.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Reminds me of the ol' GW Bush there. heheh
    Why? The expression goes back well before him.

    Being a millionaire today means less than being on in the 2000's, or the 90's, or the 80's. My current salary in 1950 would make me a rich rich man. So we have to be able to normalize the data to something, because just saying there are more millionaires now doesn't really mean all that much. The true metric is wealth aggregation and disparity.
    When people start relying on food stamps, unemployment insurance and injury claims, while others work to advance their station in life, there will naturally be greater income disparities.

    Of course many of these unemployed people may be seeking their muse through painting, dancing, sculpting or otherwise searching for ways to express their long dormant artistic tendencies.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When people start relying on food stamps, unemployment insurance and injury claims, while others work to advance their station in life, there will naturally be greater income disparities.

    Of course many of these unemployed people may be seeking their muse through painting, dancing, sculpting or otherwise searching for ways to express their long dormant artistic tendencies.
    When the system is set up to promote that, you start to see the end of economic mobility as corporate capitalism takes center stage. Wealth piles up more and more in the hands of the super wealthy. As economic mobility dies, you'll need these programs to support the people you no longer allow to freely participate in the market. It goes with the territory. But for the super rich, it's win-win. Teach people to be sedentary and compliant while aggregating wealth beyond compare along with the protection of staying wealthy that little to no economic mobility provides.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When the system is set up to promote that, you start to see the end of economic mobility as corporate capitalism takes center stage. Wealth piles up more and more in the hands of the super wealthy. As economic mobility dies, you'll need these programs to support the people you no longer allow to freely participate in the market. It goes with the territory. But for the super rich, it's win-win. Teach people to be sedentary and compliant while aggregating wealth beyond compare along with the protection of staying wealthy that little to no economic mobility provides.
    So the answer to that is open up the free markets right?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the answer to that is open up the free markets right?
    Free market enables the highest amount of economic mobility and wealth distribution. It's the ideal to strive towards. If we could really restore free market.capitalism, we will have gone a long way in addressing some of our major problems.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Then you didn't look very far. Harlem is an area where real estate prices are rising more rapidly than almost anywhere else in the city. There are thousands of apts and brownstones selling for prices in the 7 figure range.
    Harlem Real Estate & Harlem Homes For Sale — Trulia.com
    This is what I wrote about. Finding some high dollar corner someone carved out doesn't change reality which is what you do for any partisan issue - time and again. To claim Harlem is an affluent area points to your willing to abandon all intellect integrity in blind and truth-denial for your Democratic religion.



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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    And if you drive through run down communities throughout Appalachia, or large swaths of the Rust belt and Bible Belt where people are living in trailer parks and decimated communities with high unemployment, that is your Republican voting block.
    I don't think that is accurate.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    No that is what happens or are you one of those anti-government conspiracy nuts.
    I'm neither a nut nor anti government. I just understand that our government is incompetent and corrupt. Perhaps yours is not. I don't have any experience with it.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When the system is set up to promote that, you start to see the end of economic mobility as corporate capitalism takes center stage. Wealth piles up more and more in the hands of the super wealthy. As economic mobility dies, you'll need these programs to support the people you no longer allow to freely participate in the market. It goes with the territory. But for the super rich, it's win-win. Teach people to be sedentary and compliant while aggregating wealth beyond compare along with the protection of staying wealthy that little to no economic mobility provides.
    Every part of the world in every economic system has "super wealthy."

    Be-good regulatory policies shut down virtually every major US industry. Any rational business person would offshore every aspect of their business they possibly can.

    Its not like that isn't Obama's policy. The GM loans had a specific usage. They financed new GM factories in China. As the last of industry and capital flees from the USA, those destroying this country rage it isn't happening fast enough.

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