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Food prices soar as incomes stand still

The reasonable alternative is stop allowing less than 1% of the country to monopolize the vast majority of the wealth.

And the right wing alternative is

1) Cut food stamps
2) Cut Social Security
3) Do not raise the minimum wage
4) Do not expand Medicaid


All of which I'm sure will make it easier for poor people to afford adequate nutrition :roll:
 
And the right wing alternative is

1) Cut food stamps
2) Cut Social Security
3) Do not raise the minimum wage
4) Do not expand Medicaid


All of which I'm sure will make it easier for poor people to afford adequate nutrition :roll:

And the left alternative is to create a ongoing drain on everybody via the government, while collecting additional tax money to make more and more people dependent on the government, while continuing to allow people to believe, nay, reinforce the thought, that what someone else makes has anything to do with what they earn themselves.

Making adequate nutrition 'available' is brought about by information and education, not by taxing other people.
 
*sigh*
Wealth is not a limited source.

Now back on topic....

Poor people working for reasonable wages means the richest Americans control a smaller percentage of the wealth, less people on welfare programs, and more money going back into the economy.
 
And the left alternative is to create a ongoing drain on everybody via the government, while collecting additional tax money to make more and more people dependent on the government, while continuing to allow people to believe, nay, reinforce the thought, that what someone else makes has anything to do with what they earn themselves.

Making adequate nutrition 'available' is brought about by information and education, not by taxing other people.

Corporations being forced to pay people fair wages will result in less government dependency.
 
Making adequate nutrition 'available' is brought about by information and education, not by taxing other people.

Yes, all we have to do is tell people what good nutrition is, and the money to buy food will magically appear in their wallets :roll:
 
Obesity is rarely to be found when someone is eating healthy foods unless there are other health issues at hand.

Where do you think the funds to support those programs comes from? It doesn't grow on trees...... ;)

I'm not playing the 'but they have this and that' game. Right now, groceries of the reasonably healthy sort are expensive. $1.67 a pound for apples, $1.72 for zucchini and yellow squash, $2 a head of lettuce.

Have you read some of those cereal labels? They are frightening... synthetic chemicals and high sugars are not food....

The obesity is generally caused by eating to much food, of either a high sugar or high fat content with little physical activity. Ie Big macs and Coke

Ground beef is cheap and so is pasta, pasta sauce can be generic and while the taste is probably horrible it should have some nutrients. Milk and water can substitute for Coke or Monster energy drinks

Puffed wheat can be bought in bulk and is much cheaper and healthier then most children style cereals
 
Obesity is rarely to be found when someone is eating healthy foods unless there are other health issues at hand.

Where do you think the funds to support those programs comes from? It doesn't grow on trees...... ;)

I'm not playing the 'but they have this and that' game. Right now, groceries of the reasonably healthy sort are expensive. $1.67 a pound for apples, $1.72 for zucchini and yellow squash, $2 a head of lettuce.

Have you read some of those cereal labels? They are frightening... synthetic chemicals and high sugars are not food....

*sigh*
Wealth is not a limited source.Now back on topic....


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So which is it

Wealth is not limited or does it grow like a tree?
 
Yes, all we have to do is tell people what good nutrition is, and the money to buy food will magically appear in their wallets :roll:

It's how they spend what they have that is important.

And what impact does poor nutrition have on them? Higher needs to seek medical attention, general poor health and lack of energy, mental health deterioration....

Perhaps that's the way some would prefer it..... ;)

Diet and Mental Health
 
WEALTH is not limited.

TAX MONEY (that supports these programs) does not grow on trees.

Nice try, no teddy bear.


The tax money is generated from wealth which grows, like a tree. As wealth and income grows assuming tax rates stay the same tax money grows as well like a tree
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The obesity is generally caused by eating to much food, of either a high sugar or high fat content with little physical activity. Ie Big macs and Coke

Ground beef is cheap and so is pasta, pasta sauce can be generic and while the taste is probably horrible it should have some nutrients. Milk and water can substitute for Coke or Monster energy drinks

Puffed wheat can be bought in bulk and is much cheaper and healthier then most children style cereals

Healthy food provides nutrients to the body, and when a person consumes high sugar or high fat foods, they are not providing good nutrients to the body, then the body craves more food trying to obtain those nutrients. Vicious cycle.

Ground beef, 80% lean at $9 for 2 pounds, is not exactly what I deem 'inexpensive'. Exactly what nutrient value does pasta have? Most are pure carb (sugars).
 
I have spoken on this several times in the past, and as a truck driver that delivers the bread, and milk that you buy, I can attest to the many factors driving the costs of these items. Much of this inflation is artificially imposed due to factors of outside influences from government, and alike.

1. The price of diesel fuel...."Diesel fuel, the kind of fuel commonly used in commercial trucks, has not always been more expensive than the standard gasoline used in passenger vehicles. On paper at least, diesel fuel is a less refined petroleum distillate than gasoline, so it should always be cheaper to produce than gasoline...

In recent years, the federal government has mandated changes to the acceptable sulfur level of diesel fuel, and refiners must comply with these mandates to create an ultra low sulfur diesel fuel product. This means significant investments in new technology and several distillations before the finished fuel is deemed acceptable by government inspectors. All of these additional regulations and high-tech equipment can cost billions of dollars, and these expenses are often passed onto consumers through higher prices.

There are also higher federal excise taxes placed on diesel fuel compared to standard gasoline. Some critics suggest the federal government is less eager to impose higher taxes on millions of private drivers than thousands of commercial drivers who use a less popular fuel. Part of the reason diesel fuel is more expensive than gas is the total amount of federal and state taxes added to each gallon."

Why is Diesel Fuel More Expensive Than Gasoline?

2. the cost of uncertainty due to Obamacare...."Last week the president, for the second time in about seven months, delayed the employer mandate, which requires medium- and large-sized businesses to offer insurance to employers.The original Jan. 1, 2014, start for the mandate, which requires businesses with 50 to 99 full-time employees to offer the insurance or face a tax penalty, was delayed in July for one year. On Monday, Obama delayed it until 2016."

Republicans: Obama violating Constitution, but little can be done about it | Fox News


In fact, Obama has changed the law something like 27 times without going to congress to do it...If anyone thinks that these trends are business friendly to spurring growth, or lower prices then I have a bridge to sell them....

The bottom line is that the progressive attack on capitalism is going to cost everyone, even those who can't afford it....So in the end, progressivism hurts the people it claims to help the most.

Meat prices have shot up a lot, but that is mostly due to ranchers killing their cattle early, and now there is less meat available. This is mostly due to the drought that has hit the western US. Supply and demand 101.
 
Food prices soar as incomes stand still

no biggie. our trickle down checks from the 2003 tax cuts are in the mail, and the magic market will surely solve the rest.

i'm still trying to decide what i will buy with my trickle down money. i'm thinking a pony.
 
We to be reasonable we don't want diesel spewing large amounts of sulphur into the air because it is toxic. It think that is perfectly reasonable. Could be much much worse, your food could rely on the cost of avgas. You just have single payer system and that greatly reduces the burden upon employers.
I am going to assume you know nothing of what goes on in a diesel truck. If the government didn't mandate another 20K worth of parts to meet epa standards trucks would be so problematic.
 
no biggie. our trickle down checks from the 2003 tax cuts are in the mail, and the magic market will surely solve the rest.

i'm still trying to decide what i will buy with my trickle down money. i'm thinking a pony.

Sounds delicious. Let me get my barbecue pit. :mrgreen:
 
The tax money is generated from wealth which grows, like a tree. As wealth and income grows assuming tax rates stay the same tax money grows as well like a tree
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Tax money is generated when money changes hands, regardless of it's source.

If you increase your value in the employment marketplace, your wealth grows. It doesn't grow by taking it from one person and giving it to another.
 
Right. They can't afford adequate nutrition because they *can* afford it.

They just don't know it! :lamom

So keeping them dumb and uneducated regarding nutrition is better for them...how?

Difference between buying an apple, and buying a bag of chips.....
 
Corporations being forced to pay people fair wages will result in less government dependency.

No, it won't. Just the opposite. Look at any country that has tried this. Their people are MORE dependent upon government.
 
So keeping them dumb and uneducated regarding nutrition is better for them...how?

Difference between buying an apple, and buying a bag of chips.....

Education doesn't make the unaffordable magically become affordable.
 
Tax money is generated when money changes hands, regardless of it's source.

If you increase your value in the employment marketplace, your wealth grows. It doesn't grow by taking it from one person and giving it to another.

Sure it does

When I sell something, I give something away and I take money in exchange for it. Provided the cost of making that good was lower then the sale price I generated wealth for myself

It was give and take
 
So keeping them dumb and uneducated regarding nutrition is better for them...how?

Difference between buying an apple, and buying a bag of chips.....

Were you not stating earlier in this thread that healthy foods were more expensive then junk food?

And are you now stating it is because people do not know what healthy food is?
 
Education doesn't make the unaffordable magically become affordable.

You still don't understand the difference between spending a dollar on chips and a dollar on an apple, do you?

I offer free classes.... ;)
 
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