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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And like every other extreme conservative you repeat the mantra without addressing the issue that was brought up. You know as well as I do that the inequality is no longer in the realm of reasonable. If you think it is, well you're part of the problem, whether it means you've been indoctrinated to vote against your own interests or whether you're part of the elite class, I have no idea, but I can see you're part of the problem.
    Wow, now there is a throw back argument...."If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem..."

    You speak of inequality of opportunity, I would say that just is not so....

    According to the annual World Wealth Report from Merill Lynch and Capgemini, the U.S. had 3.1 million millionaires in 2010, up from 2.86 million in 2009. The latest figure tops the pre-crisis peak of three million.

    Merrill and Capgemini define millionaires as individuals with $1 million or more in investible assets, not including primary home, collectibles, consumables and consumer durables.

    The wealth held by these millionaires also hit a record. North American millionaires had a combined wealth of $11.6 trillion, up from $10.7 trillion in 2009.

    The number of Americans with $30 million is still slightly below the pre-crisis peak. In 2010 there were 40,000 North Americans with $30 million or more, up from 36,000 in 2009.

    U.S. Has Record Number of Millionaires - The Wealth Report - WSJ
    There are more millionaires now than in the 2000s, and more in the 2000s than in the 90s, and more in the 90s than in the 80s....and so on....In fact, at this point there are more millionaires in the United States as a country, than anywhere else in the world as a concentration.

    The following is a list of the countries with the most millionaires in U.S. dollars worldwide according to the London-based wealth consultancy WealthInsight.[17]
    Rank[17] Country Number of millionaires (2012)
    1 United States 5,231,000
    2 Japan 2,105,000
    3 Germany 1,326,000
    4 China 1,280,000
    5 United Kingdom 675,000
    6 France 555,000
    7 Canada 422,000
    8 Switzerland 297,000
    9 Australia 275,000
    10 Italy 259,000
    11 India 251,000

    Millionaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You use the emotional argument instead of fact, ie: "reasonableness" is NOT for YOU to decide. It skews the facts....And the fact is that more people in the US live better, and have more materiel assets throughout their lives than anywhere else in the world. We eat better, we live better, and we own more stuff.

    The problem is not in that some people become wealthy, or that the wealthy have more stuff than others. The problem is that the drive to think in ways that produce the drive to attain wealth is being quelled in today's society through the demonetization of those who attain it. It's propaganda furthered on a political platform for the essence of control of a mass population, and the creation of a political elite.

    If that is the world you want, and the landscape you want to pass on to future generations then by all means, within your own sphere of influence go ahead, and settle for mediocrity. I still would like to see my children do better than me, and so on....
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Wal-Mart only? Is that the only place a minimum wage increase would effect COGs? What percentage of Wal-Mart workers currently make just minimum wage?

    You're not seeing the whole picture if you're limiting yourself to those links.
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    Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    I've managed to eat better and decrease my food budget by actually cooking.

    A crock pot is a wonderful thing

    Also Dana and I are losing weight

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well food and fuel are volatile and fluctuate widely which is why economists use the core index to make decisions. In a given month it may be as high as 4% in others it may have dived 4% but year over year it only accounts to 1% due to volatility of food.
    So they say.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yeah, and?

    Common courtesy does not require to come to the defense of every person who ever has their feelings hurt, particularly when they are perfectly capable of defending themselves.
    Doesn't mean I have to sit back and watch people throw stones either. Maybe one day you will learn that such defenses against your statements are not for the benefit of the rich, but as a counter to your position.

    I mean, if you think people shouldn't counter what you say because the rich "can defend themselves" I can only imagine what deep-seated issues you must have with Obama that you feel the need to defend him on these forums...

    And I find it pretty hypocritical of you to complain about judging people based on how much money they have given the multitude of posts you have written that judge poor people based on how much money they don't have.
    I don't judge the poor people in any of those posts, but nice try.

    Suddenly your blather about not judging people based on how much money they have is shown to be a load of crap
    *Sigh* And where there was I jnot granting the poor common courtesy, let alone judging them? I am talking about the carnival barker/snake oil salesman ideology of the Democratic party that sells dependency and then writes policy to create more dependency. That has nothing to do with the poor person as a person. I'd like poor people to get jobs, Democrats SAY they want poor people to have jobs and then do everything in their power to kill job creation. Your side really, deep down, hates the poor as much as you hate the rich. It is the incessant nanny state that is the biggest detriment to the poor in this country, giving handouts that in the end are roadblocks to advancement.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    So they say.
    No that is what happens or are you one of those anti-government conspiracy nuts.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And like every other extreme conservative you repeat the mantra without addressing the issue that was brought up. You know as well as I do that the inequality is no longer in the realm of reasonable. If you think it is, well you're part of the problem, whether it means you've been indoctrinated to vote against your own interests or whether you're part of the elite class, I have no idea, but I can see you're part of the problem.
    What did i say that was extreme??? Please quote it.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    No that is what happens or are you one of those anti-government conspiracy nuts.
    Being "anti government" = "conspiracy nut"?
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Doesn't mean I have to sit back and watch people throw stones either. Maybe one day you will learn that such defenses against your statements are not for the benefit of the rich, but as a counter to your position.

    I mean, if you think people shouldn't counter what you say because the rich "can defend themselves" I can only imagine what deep-seated issues you must have with Obama that you feel the need to defend him on these forums...
    Geez what a pile of hypocrisy you just posted!

    No one said you have to sit back. All I did was ask why I should care, a question you still can't provide a good answer to

    So go ahead and whine about how those other "bad" people are throwing stones in order to justify why you are so right in getting up and doing the same.


    I don't judge the poor people in any of those posts, but nice try.
    Yeah, right. There's nothing judgmental about claiming that people who have chosen to not work, for whatever reason, have chosen to "sponge more"

    BTW, with all your accusations about how I've judged the wealthy, you still haven't posted any quote of mine where I say anything judgmental about the wealthy.


    *Sigh* And where there was I jnot granting the poor common courtesy, let alone judging them? I am talking about the carnival barker/snake oil salesman ideology of the Democratic party that sells dependency and then writes policy to create more dependency. That has nothing to do with the poor person as a person. I'd like poor people to get jobs, Democrats SAY they want poor people to have jobs and then do everything in their power to kill job creation. Your side really, deep down, hates the poor as much as you hate the rich. It is the incessant nanny state that is the biggest detriment to the poor in this country, giving handouts that in the end are roadblocks to advancement.
    Your entire attitude is rife with judgment, but I guess that's only wrong when I judge, even though I haven't made any judgment about the wealthy. It's becoming more and more obvious that your comments about judging are nothing more than an attack you toss around whenever someone disagrees with you and has nothing to do with you actually being opposed to having people make judgments (as demonstrated by your own rampant habit of judging others)
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    So food has went up 6.4%? So I pay $20/mo. more now for a family of 3 than I did several years ago...

    Meanwhile my wages have went up to easily compensate for this "increase"
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