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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SO you support the use tax dollars to provide food for the poor? You support the govt taking "what someone else makes" in order to supply food to the poor?

    Oh wait! I get it

    You support taking "what someone else makes" even though it makes people more dependent on the govt because the govt has been doing it for awhile now. You merely oppose allowing people who have recently become poor from getting food stamps because, unlike those hardy independent food stamp recipients from days past, the recently poor or far more vulnerable to govt dependency
    Existing programs such as SNAP, WIC and food stamps which are currently funded via tax monies. Considering what programs the government has expanded, unemployment and additional give aways not involving critical needs, does create a dependency factor.

    I have never argued that existing assistance programs should be eliminated or cut. Just throwing money at people doesn't do anything to fix the problem, which is why nutritional education will help people make better choices with what they do receive.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Existing programs such as SNAP, WIC and food stamps which are currently funded via tax monies. Considering what programs the government has expanded, unemployment and additional give aways not involving critical needs, does create a dependency factor.
    So IOW, food stamps and WIC do not create government dependency because they do involve critical needs, but you don't support expanding Food Stamps or WIC because you're so concerned about food being unaffordable


    I have never argued that existing assistance programs should be eliminated or cut. Just throwing money at people doesn't do anything to fix the problem, which is why nutritional education will help people make better choices with what they do receive.
    AHh, I see! "Throwing money at people" doesn't do anything so we shouln't expand Food Stamps or WIC, but you support continuing both Food Stamps and WIC because they don't "throw money at people" - they just give the money to people.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So IOW, food stamps and WIC do not create government dependency because they do involve critical needs, but you don't support expanding Food Stamps or WIC because you're so concerned about food being unaffordable
    where have I said I don't support food stamps or WIC?


    AHh, I see! "Throwing money at people" doesn't do anything, but you support continuing both Food Stamps and WIC because they don't "throw money at people" - they just give the money to people.
    Food stamps and WIC is not throwing money at people. They are a limited use assistance program for food. Do I really need to explain the difference to you?
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    where have I said I don't support food stamps or WIC?


    Food stamps and WIC is not throwing money at people. They are a limited use assistance program for food. Do I really need to explain the difference to you?
    So I am mistaken in thinking that you do not believe those are good programs? In that case, you must support increasing the funding for those programs since you believe that are doing good
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Hard working poor people exist, believe it or not. These people deserve a livable income...
    Yeah, we all deserve nice stuff. So what? They only "deserve" a "livable income" if the job they are doing is worth that level of pay or more. Very simple. Do you go to the store and over pay because they deserve more money? I bet not.

    Wealthy corporations know they can pay their employees badly and that the government will pick up the bill...
    What kind of screwy logic is that? They offer a job at a certain rate of pay determined by the market. The person accepts, or moves on. Or takes it and looks for a better job.

    Stop subsidizing corporations and make them pay people fair wages.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Government stats on anything are no longer credible. The price of food is increasing at an extreme rate and the government constantly adjusting what food products they do and don' t count to manipulate numbers does not change what everyone knows.

    The value of the dollar is devaluating in almost every regards. Inflation is the result of runaway debt and the only way to divide up a shrinking per-capita pie plus to reduce the debt. Double inflation would reduce the effective debt by 50%.

    This also is how the government is dealing with runaway "entitlements" and social programs. They cut payments and benefits merely by not raising it via inflation. The USA is in economic decline and the rate of decline is most found in the growing national debt - which is a major factor in defining the inflation rate.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Ecology and economy are a balancing act, but with food prices rising the way they are, and the quality getting worse and worse, exactly how are the low or fixed income groups supposed to continue eating?
    Well we could simply approve that higher minimum wage that has been proven to only cost consumers about $16 a year in extra costs, iirc. But of course that idea always escapes folks like you.
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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    The only political discussions in this country are about how to divide up the pie. There are no plans that have anything to do with baking pies, just dividing the dwindling pie supply - which increasingly comes from other countries in return for IOUs and selling off more of the country in a literal sense.

    Selling ever more of our tollways, buildings, real estate and companies. For every container ship that comes in, another country's flag should be placed over another piece of real estate in the USA. Increasing numbers of tollroads should have foreign names. American auto factories in the USA are increasingly foreign owned factories. The power plant here is now owned by China. Germany acquired the primary American company that supplied the company my wife had. Every tangible value of the United States is now being pawned or outright sold off just to pay some of the debt interests.

    Prices are going to continue to increase. Wages nor benefits will match it. The question is how well can the economic decline of the USA be managed. Democrats are ahead of the psychological reconditioning in their efforts to convince people that they don't need so much had having less employment is a good thing because it gives you time for simple pleasures in life. The question is becoming how to warehouse increasing tens of millions of people unemployable for age, physical condition or just not needed for employment.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    When we visited NYC we drove thru Harlem. In every direction, as far as the eye can see, were 10 to 12 story apartment buildings one after another after another - all direction. Nearly all of those are warehoused people. The rent on their 600 square foot apartment is paid by the government, as is the utilities. They receive so much each in food stamps, welfare and marginal free medical care for each of them and each of their children. They are unneeded for any employment. However, they are a 99% Democratic voting block.

    I believe that is the future of the USA. Increasing numbers of warehouses for people. Warehousing old folks. Warehousing the unemployed. Warehousing all the people there are no jobs for, with free subsistence living, as the last of the United States is pawned and sold. Like all impoverished countries, there still be the rich. But the glory days of the USA are over. The power again shifts to elsewhere along the world history time line. Wars and military power can't stop the inevitable much longer. A decade or two at the most. Like Rome, the USA can not afford affluence by military presence indefinitely when there becomes little money for that military.

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    Re: Food prices soar as incomes stand still

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When we visited NYC we drove thru Harlem. In every direction, as far as the eye can see, were 10 to 12 story apartment buildings one after another after another - all direction. Nearly all of those are warehoused people.
    Then you didn't look very far. Harlem is an area where real estate prices are rising more rapidly than almost anywhere else in the city. There are thousands of apts and brownstones selling for prices in the 7 figure range.
    http://www.trulia.com/NY/New_York,5131,Harlem/
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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