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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm still slack-jawed over the fact that they found the guy guilty of three counts of attempted murder on the guys he didn't manage to kill, but couldn't agree on a murder conviction on the guy he did manage to kill. WTF is up with that?? I can't imagine what the parents of that poor dead teenager must be going through right now, knowing that their son has still not received justice.

    ****ing Florida juries are all nutjobs.
    With the State went for 2nd degree Murder they would probably would have found him guilty. I can see the why the Jury was hung on a 1st degree count since it was really wasn't per-meditated. I wouldn't have convicted him on 1st degree, second degree, yes.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    With the State went for 2nd degree Murder they would probably would have found him guilty. I can see the why the Jury was hung on a 1st degree count since it was really wasn't per-meditated. I wouldn't have convicted him on 1st degree, second degree, yes.
    The jury was given the option (according to CNN) of choosing First Degree Murder, Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter. At least one clueless idiot couldn't vote for any of 'em.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The jury was given the option (according to CNN) of choosing First Degree Murder, Second Degree Murder or Manslaughter. At least one clueless idiot couldn't vote for any of 'em.
    Maybe but generally the jury will vote for what the DA was for, in this case it looks it was for 1st degree. It is the same reason the Zimmerman was found innocent. Also I think a jury should be allowed to vote on the case the D.A. makes and not to be allowed vote for a lesser charge if it wasn't part of the case.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If he is later found not guilty and/or given immunity for responding to an immanent threat with deadly force, this finding by the jury can not stand.
    Absolutely it can. Just because his shooting of Davis would deemed self defense does not mean that the shots he fired into the rest of the vehicle after it had started to drive away would also be self defense.

    'Self defense' does not give one nearly as broad of immunity to prosecution as you seem to believe it does. You can't get away with any violent action you want simply by claiming it was self defense. You can't shoot at other people in the vicinity of the person that threatened you, and you can't continue shooting at an aggressor after they are no longer a threat (such as when they're already down or fleeing). The attempted murder conviction was absolutely the right decision.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Under the very limited amount of distance traveled, it is. As already pointed out, he was firing at the threat in the vehicle. That threat was not the driver. That threat was not moving away on his own, and because of the tint, he had no way of knowing if said threat was going to start blasting away.

    The current results are not because he was over charged. They jury had the option of find a guilty verdict on the lesser included offenses, M2 or just manslaughter. They didn't It is ridiculous to think that they couldn't come to a decision between the thee charges if they all believed he was guilty of something, it is more likely one or more would not convict period.
    Since he was convicted of attempted murder, that makes no sense. Since it took so long for a verdict, I was suspecting nullification by one or more jurists. I don't think that happened . . . or it would have been a hung jury on all counts.

    It is amazing that as many times as affirmative defense has been discussed that some folks still do not grasp it
    The defense does not have to prove anything.
    Apparently you don't understand an affirmative defense.

    WTF! Wrong. You do not hold a person who broke no law responsible just because you think his actions irresponsible. That is ludicrous.
    We are judged by the totality of our actions. His defense team asked the jury to believe that what was going on in his head was a fight for his life. The fact that he did a very unnatural thing, left the scene, didn't call the cops, is as fair to consider as his state of mind.

    There is no evidence that he was drunk or even slightly inebriated. And his train wreck of a girlfriend not remembering, doesn't mean he didn't.
    His explanation of why he left the scene isn't believable. But a high BAC would explain in. Nothing else does. She's a train wreck because . . . ?

    Besides you being wrong about this, it was also an uncalled for personal comment. Shame.
    You'll get no apology from me. The jury found him guilty. In a poll taken on this site, 31 of 33 people thought he was guilty. Ex doesn't think so. Ex thinks all someone has to say is, "I thought I saw a gun," and the prosecution has to disprove it. And if they can't? He walks. Well, the rest of the world disagrees with you.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Absolutely it can. Just because his shooting of Davis would deemed self defense does not mean that the shots he fired into the rest of the vehicle after it had started to drive away would also be self defense.
    your wasting your time. this has been explained time and time again to him and he doesn't understand.

    You are responsible for every bullet even in a self defense case. if you shoot at or hit an innocent bystander (IE people in the car) you can be put up on separate charges other than the main one and can be convicted for them regardless if it is self defense or not.

    you don't get total immunity from actions outside the immunity case.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Absolutely it can. Just because his shooting of Davis would deemed self defense does not mean that the shots he fired into the rest of the vehicle after it had started to drive away would also be self defense.

    'Self defense' does not give one nearly as broad of immunity to prosecution as you seem to believe it does. You can't get away with any violent action you want simply by claiming it was self defense. You can't shoot at other people in the vicinity of the person that threatened you, and you can't continue shooting at an aggressor after they are no longer a threat (such as when they're already down or fleeing). The attempted murder conviction was absolutely the right decision.
    TAke it up with the law as written.
    It would in this case.
    His actions are those of defending himself. Shooting at the vehicle as it started to move away the very limited distance it did, is part and parcel of that, as he had no idea because of the tint if the guy was going to start shooting back.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Absolutely it can. Just because his shooting of Davis would deemed self defense does not mean that the shots he fired into the rest of the vehicle after it had started to drive away would also be self defense.

    'Self defense' does not give one nearly as broad of immunity to prosecution as you seem to believe it does. You can't get away with any violent action you want simply by claiming it was self defense. You can't shoot at other people in the vicinity of the person that threatened you, and you can't continue shooting at an aggressor after they are no longer a threat (such as when they're already down or fleeing). The attempted murder conviction was absolutely the right decision.
    i think some people apply the belief of " the best defense is a good offense" when they attempt to claim self defense
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    your wasting your time. this has been explained time and time again to him and he doesn't understand.

    You are responsible for every bullet even in a self defense case. if you shoot at or hit an innocent bystander (IE people in the car) you can be put up on separate charges other than the main one and can be convicted for them regardless if it is self defense or not.

    you don't get total immunity from actions outside the immunity case.
    100% correct a perfect example of this is even when police lose thier jobs or have charges filed again them when its deam they acted irresponsibly. Yes they may have been protecting themselves or bystanders but that doesn't allow totally immunity.

    A hostage or bystander gets killed and it gets reviewed and it better be deemed responsible otherwise there a debt to pay to the law.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    TAke it up with the law as written.
    It would in this case.
    No, it wouldn't. The key section of the Florida self defense law is this (emphasis mine):

    A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    It is not reasonable to believe that a car which you've already fired into several times and is now driving away from you is a threat which needs to be met with deadly force. No sane person would find that reasonable.
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