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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    There seems to be a common thread of overcharging Between this and the Zimmerman case.
    Angela Corey is the common thread.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. They're the reason they couldn't agree on whether he was guilty of killing anyone.
    Not exactly.
    He shot in self defense, so shouldn't have been convicted of anything.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Not in the reason we are discussing.
    And then not in defending himself either.
    Tell me why you think his explanation of why he did not report the incident in a timely manner is acceptable and should have changed the outcome in this case.

    Frankly, if you are curious about why folks are "anti gun"...it is not really so much about responsible gun ownership....it is the fact that someone like this is supported even after he takes the most circuitous route to make a series of wrong and deadly decisions.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Tell me why you think his explanation of why he did not report the incident in a timely manner is acceptable and should have changed the outcome in this case.
    Is that what I said?

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    Tell me why you think his explanation of why he did not report the incident in a timely manner is acceptable ...
    Show me where it is required and than we can argue over it's acceptability.


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    ... of wrong and deadly decisions.
    Acting in self defense is not wrong.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    doesnt matter he is going to prison for a long time and the next inches of shotgun that only he sees will be going in his tailpipe! LMAO
    You sound jealous.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I know, you're right.

    I've asked attorneys why it's this way, and they say, "It's our job....to do everything we POSSIBLY can to defend our client. I actually don't agree with this. To me, an attorneys job ought to be to help him obtain the best justice he can obtain. And if he's guilty? That probably means taking a deal.
    My understanding was that you shouldn't admit guilt to your attorney. If you did, they would be required to advise you to plead guilty. They would be required to tell the judge if you were lying and they knew about it. In other words, they can't knowingly help you lie to the court.

    Of course, I am sure they would say "why do you think are guilty?" and it would go on from there.

    Anyway, I don't agree that an attorney ought to feel compelled to do everything "they possibly can". I think that it should be unethical to attempt to deceive, and an attorney who purposely deceives or helps their client deceive should be disbarred.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Not exactly.
    He shot in self defense, so shouldn't have been convicted of anything.
    The jury found that he didn't. You can harp the same old song as long as you'd like, Excon. You are in a distinct minority with them. I, for one, am grateful for that. The jury found that he was not acting in self-defense. From the bare-bones facts we have to work with, I agree with that finding. Your liberal views on what's self-defense and what's isn't don't even match those of the most liberal state of Florida. (Liberal not having political meaning here.)

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Frankly, if you are curious about why folks are "anti gun"...it is not really so much about responsible gun ownership....it is the fact that someone like this is supported even after he takes the most circuitous route to make a series of wrong and deadly decisions.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    My understanding was that you shouldn't admit guilt to your attorney. If you did, they would be required to advise you to plead guilty. They would be required to tell the judge if you were lying and they knew about it. In other words, they can't knowingly help you lie to the court.

    Of course, I am sure they would say "why do you think are guilty?" and it would go on from there.

    Anyway, I don't agree that an attorney ought to feel compelled to do everything "they possibly can". I think that it should be unethical to attempt to deceive, and an attorney who purposely deceives or helps their client deceive should be disbarred.
    Think you're mostly right here. I also think that's why many defendants don't take the stand. They've told their attorney "I did it" and the attorney can't let him testify because he knows he's lying. Attorneys can't do that. (That doesn't apply in this case though.)

    Oh, wait. No, the attorney is not required to tell the court someone confessed to them. I'd say that's what attorney/client privilege is all about. It'd be really interesting to know the ins and outs of ACP, though. Like, if a murderer tells his attorney where he stashed the murder weapon or where the bodies are buried is it legal for the attorney not to tell the cops? Hmmm.....

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Well I do agree going for M1 seemed wrong but they did explain how it applies under law a couple times, I admit i didnt really understand the reasoning.

    M2 or manslaughter should have been EXTREMELY easy for they jury I have no clue why they didnt just charge him with the lesser unanimously.

    I cant see any member not thinking he wasnt guilty of murder 2 or manslughter



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    watching a movie.
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    then theres ZERO corroborative evidence of a gun or death threats or the victim even getting out of the car

    then there the actual trail where he was proven to be a liar by his own girlfriend

    cant believe they were hung on a murder charge
    im still happy he is going to rot in prison for life though, its a victory for justice

    I think Dunn is a racist killer who in a half drunk state thought he was making the world a better place by shooting up a car full of "black thugs" in his view after an incident where he was disrespected. However, its possible if the tripod in the SUV was brandished, it might have looked like a gun barrel to someone who had been drinking hard liquor all afternoon. Alternatively, as an avid gun enthusiast if the tripod was brandished, he might have known it wasn't a gun and it was just a kid trying to look tough but offered just the excuse he needed to in his mind legally kill some "thugs" in his view.
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