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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    the big risk of jury trials is that people do not always objectively and correctly view the quality of evidence and there is always the risk that they either fall in the trap of either the defense or the prosecution and make a decision that is not sound and/or based on evidence and the law. While having a panel of judges might not be perfect, but if it is good enough for the supreme court of the United States and other appeals courts, it should be good enough for regular trials IMHO. Just because it was a jury of peers once does not mean that it always has to remain that way.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    When folks get worried about gun ownership - Dunn is the face of that worry. An idiot that cannot control his emotions and doesn't have a clue when to just walk away.
    That right there sums it up very nicely. I completely agree.

    Just to have addressed it makes him an asshole, in my opinion. He was filling the car with freakin' gas -- not reading a book on his front porch. Add that ridiculous conduct to what he did afterwards and it's no wonder he was found guilty. This wasn't even a close call. He doesn't belong on the streets.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just to have addressed it makes him an asshole, in my opinion. He was filling the car with freakin' gas -- not reading a book on his front porch. Add that ridiculous conduct to what he did afterwards and it's no wonder he was found guilty. This wasn't even a close call. He doesn't belong on the streets.
    Oy vey.
    His life was verbally threatened, that threat was then coupled with action making the threat to appear to be actual, the barrel on the window, then with his stating that it was "going down now" as he got out to carry through with the threat.
    That, to anybody, would appear to be a real threat.
    Under such circumstance the only one being an asshole and at fault for what happened, was Davis, not Dunn.

    Now, you do not have to believe that happened.
    But the prosecutor does have to prove it didn't. And she failed at doing so.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That right there sums it up very nicely. I completely agree.

    Just to have addressed it makes him an asshole, in my opinion. He was filling the car with freakin' gas -- not reading a book on his front porch. Add that ridiculous conduct to what he did afterwards and it's no wonder he was found guilty. This wasn't even a close call. He doesn't belong on the streets.
    well just to be accurate he wasnt getting gas, he stopped for wine

    but you are right theres no facts or corroborated evidence that support his actions, this is way he will be in prison for a long time and rightfully so.

    He acted crazy and unreasonable and now that asshole thug will be put in jail.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well just to be accurate he wasnt getting gas, he stopped for wine

    but you are right theres no facts or corroborated evidence that support his actions, this is way he will be in prison for a long time and rightfully so.
    He acted crazy and unreasonable and now that asshole thug will be put in jail.



    I have the impression, from what I have read, that he might be tried again on the 'murder one' count.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    From what I read it sounds like he was probably guilty. That being said I don't support our draconian prison regimen and would rather not see him entombed in some penitentiary for the next forty years. I think it's time we began to seriously consider whether we actually want the corrections system we say we want instead of a penal system. I think we are too eager, too emotional, and too voyeuristic when it comes to crime and court room drama. I don't know anything about this guy except from one or two articles I read. I think society gains very little even by imprisoning a murderer for his entire life and there is a wealth of evidence that shorter terms with a focus on rehabilitation can be highly successful, especially in a case like this.

    I know most wont agree but that's my two cents.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I have the impression, from what I have read, that he might be tried again on the 'murder one' count.
    yes he will be tried again, not sure if they will stick with the M1 though

    personally i think it should be M2
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    From what I read it sounds like he was probably guilty. That being said I don't support our draconian prison regimen and would rather not see him entombed in some penitentiary for the next forty years. I think it's time we began to seriously consider whether we actually want the corrections system we say we want instead of a penal system. I think we are too eager, too emotional, and too voyeuristic when it comes to crime and court room drama. I don't know anything about this guy except from one or two articles I read. I think society gains very little even by imprisoning a murderer for his entire life and there is a wealth of evidence that shorter terms with a focus on rehabilitation can be highly successful, especially in a case like this.

    I know most wont agree but that's my two cents.
    im a mix of you

    in some cases I agree and in others im the direct opposite

    in this particular case id prefer he was given the death penalty instead of getting a life some law abiding citizens dont even get

    now in some other cases im a total fan of "rehabilitation"

    it would be rare that murder is ever one of them unless it was say a battered woman taking the law in her own hands at the wrong time or something like that

    now for many other things id be on board but it would be case by case i could never sit here and make a blanket statement

    I think in many cases we are WAY too soft on criminals (murders, white collar embezzlers/launderers/con artist) and then in many cases we are way too hard. (drug users and possession, statutory rapist with 2 year difference, child porn charges when both people are minors themselves)
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Well I do agree going for M1 seemed wrong but they did explain how it applies under law a couple times, I admit i didnt really understand the reasoning.
    And of course neither does a jury when it gets too deep into the legal definitions.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    M2 or manslaughter should have been EXTREMELY easy for they jury I have no clue why they didnt just charge him with the lesser unanimously.
    BINGO! And this is because no matter what kind outrageous idiot Dunn is, he is not a Charles Manson; a person who went out on a deliberate killing spree. For all intents and purposes Dunn only stopped for gasoline and snacks and then ended up murdering a young person because he allowed himself to get angry. Dunn should have been charged with 2nd degree murder because to a juror charged with the huge responsibility of life and death (or life in prison), it just makes more sense to them. Certainly they can bring back a lesser included offense. But they go into the jury room needing to argue among themselves about why it is not 1st degree murder, and then who knows what goes through their heads.

    I say in a case like this you start at 2nd degree and hope the jury gets it. I just say it's a better strategic move. Because I think Florida juries are either being confused by the jury instructions, or are just a bit dumb IMHO.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Because it can't be stressed enough...

    The jury could have convicted him with M2 even though Dunn was charged with M1. They chose not to because it's Florida and Floridians can't do anything right.
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