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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    actually the prosecution is going for a retrial. that will mean a new jury pool. so we will see if they can get a conviction out of that crowd.
    yep it is hard to put someone in prison for murder 1, but i figured manslaughter at least.

    we won't know who held out on the murder charges but it was a split jury for sure. he will be tried again and i think another jury will find him guilty.

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    im not sure what that changes about my post
    but hopefully the next jury will be void of morons and he'll get at least m2 or manslaughter
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The most obvious reason would be, that to some, it wasn't murder, or even manslaughter, but a guy acting in self defense.
    If it smells like a murder, looks like a murder and sounds like a murder it most often is a murder. I have seen people get convicted of murder because they were present at a murder but only sideways and still get convicted for murder. There is zero evidence that these black people in the car threatened him or had a weapon.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    im not sure what that changes about my post
    but hopefully the next jury will be void of morons and he'll get at least m2 or manslaughter
    you seemed to act like this was over. i was just saying that it isn't. he is still charged with murder and until a jury gives him a non-guilty verdict he will continue to be charged.

    the rest of the charges still stay regardless of the murder charge either way this guy is going to jail.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    1.)you seemed to act like this was over. i was just saying that it isn't. he is still charged with murder and until a jury gives him a non-guilty verdict he will continue to be charged.

    2.)the rest of the charges still stay regardless of the murder charge either way this guy is going to jail.
    1.) oh its not over by any means
    2.) i know this and that was my point, regardless this nutball thug will be in jail
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) oh its not over by any means
    2.) i know this and that was my point, regardless this nutball thug will be in jail
    i think if they find another non-tainted jury pool. they will find this guy guilty of manslaughter.
    the problem in FL and this is that all someone has to say is they feel they were threatened and the defense lawyers convoluted the meaning of the law and why SYG was passed.

    the main purpose of the law was to protect innocent people from criminals. that you have the right to walk down the street and defend yourself or someone else from a crime.
    it didn't mean that you can shoot whoever you want and claim self defense because they are cussing at you or something else.

    i blame the juries and the judges for not clarifying the law and upholding the meaning of the law.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i think if they find another non-tainted jury pool. they will find this guy guilty of manslaughter.
    the problem in FL and this is that all someone has to say is they feel they were threatened and the defense lawyers convoluted the meaning of the law and why SYG was passed.

    the main purpose of the law was to protect innocent people from criminals. that you have the right to walk down the street and defend yourself or someone else from a crime.
    it didn't mean that you can shoot whoever you want and claim self defense because they are cussing at you or something else.

    i blame the juries and the judges for not clarifying the law and upholding the meaning of the law.
    i only blame the retard or retards that ignore the law, facts and corroborated evidence that all point to murder and NONE OF IT points to self defense.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    i only blame the retard or retards that ignore the law, facts and corroborated evidence that all point to murder and NONE OF IT points to self defense.
    i agree, but you don't know what happens in the jury room. i hope i don't get called for the next case.

    the next case in the same county involves a previous sheirf who shoots a guy over a text message. BEFORE the movie started he was sending a text message. this ex cop gets up and starts a altercation over it (wasn't the first time he did it to another couple as well). i guess the other guy throws a popcorn bag at him and he shot the guy killed him and the bullet hit this guys wifes hand.

    he then claims self defense. i am like what? a paper cut? i mean i know how dangerous the death rate of popcorn is.
    i am sure that excon will claim that is self defense as well. of course the officer says he was punched in the face but no witnesses even his wife can confirm that this happened.
    i didn't see any bruise on the guys face in the news and if he was hit in the face hard enough to have his glasses come off (being 72) there would have been a huge bruise
    there is no marks or anything.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    If it smells like a murder, looks like a murder and sounds like a murder it most often is a murder.
    Unfortunately it doesn't look that way to others.
    And some of those were on the jury.
    It obviously wasn't a slam dunk as someone said (at least not to the Jurors, the ones who actually count), nor does there have corroborating evidence as another has indicated the lack of.
    The prosecution has to prove their case. Period. The defense does not have to.
    And with the circumstantial evidence that what Dunn saw may have been stashed, and the highly suspicious activity of the driver contacting his aunt and her later coming into the area, that circumstantial evidence has some clout.
    As such, it is very understandable that he wasn't convicted of such, the prosecution did not prove it to all the jurors.





    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    this is what you still don't understand.

    Murder 1 was for davis.
    the other 3 attempted murders were for the 3 boys in the car that were of no threat to dunn.
    the discharge of a gun into a occupied vehicle was for the 3 boys that were no threat to dunn.

    they are all independent charges and they will stand as guilty even if the murder charge doesn't go through. you cannot just randomly shoot at innocent people and not be held responsible. more so when those innocent people are driving away.
    No ludin.
    That is what you do not understand.

    Nor do you understand that he was not shooting at them, but at the perceived threat, who was Davis.
    He can not be held accountable if he is found not guilty and/or later granted immunity.
    The law can not say, you can fire at an immanent threat, but be held accountable for any other unintentional damage caused by you defending yourself. It does not say that.

    The immunity is complete. It covers any criminal action arising from your use of that justified force.
    So learn the law before speaking about it.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i agree, but you don't know what happens in the jury room.
    yeah im wondering about that too

    it almost HAD to be some dumbass that thought it was self defense even though there was no corroborating evidence to prove that


    I mean unless im missing something

    if somebody thought it was manslaughter and the rest thought it was M2 the rest could just agree with the manslaughter right

    Im very interested to hear what actually went down, its going to come out
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I think they're right. And the state will probably re-try him on the 1st degree murder charge. I don't know how they can call it pre-meditated, frankly...I don't know, maybe they won't re-try him. It's a bit of a stretch.

    But he did wrong. He's a very bad example of a gun-owner. If he hadn't left? If there had been a gun? Maybe they'd have found it. The leaving is what did it for me. No reasonable person would leave the scene when they'd killed someone. If he was afraid and THAT'S why he left right away? Then you call the coppers immediately or go right to the station. Maybe he was BAC impaired.
    I bad example of a gun owner for a variety of reasons.

    Seriously, kids at a gas station with loud music? If that sets you off, you really need not to own a gun.

    When folks get worried about gun ownership - Dunn is the face of that worry. An idiot that cannot control his emotions and doesn't have a clue when to just walk away.

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