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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That doesn't prove anything....


    The statute in most states say that you have to have premeditation........ I could bring a weapon to a bar, get pissed at a guy aim the gun at him and shoot the damn bartender on accident and that is not First Degree Murder.

    The statute is premeditation - meaning the murder (of said dead individual) was planned all a long.

    That is almost impossible to prove...
    Actually is that the standard? I recall someone on another thread posting something from a legal site that essentially indicated the planning could be a very rapid process. I do not recall having any strong feelings about the reliability of that website.

    That being said, after watching Law and Order for 20 years, it seems like Murder 2 - depraved indifference to me.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    You have repeated this claim of circumstantial evidence proving the existence of a shot gun many times, and I have asked you before to provide said circumstantial evidence. You have thus far declined, so I went looking for it.

    First off - do you understand what is meant, in the legal sense, by circumstantial evidence? Allow me to assist with the legal definition -

    Information and testimony presented by a party in a civil or criminal action that permit conclusions that indirectly establish the existence or nonexistence of a fact or event that the party seeks to prove.

    There was no information or testimony proving the existence of the alleged shotgun, and even the witness who first drew attention to the possibility of it being hidden, withdrew his testimony under oath.

    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home


    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home

    So believe what you will, but please discontinue making this bogus claim.
    Great post, thank you.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    You have repeated this claim of circumstantial evidence proving the existence of a shot gun many times, and I have asked you before to provide said circumstantial evidence. You have thus far declined, so I went looking for it.

    First off - do you understand what is meant, in the legal sense, by circumstantial evidence? Allow me to assist with the legal definition -

    Information and testimony presented by a party in a civil or criminal action that permit conclusions that indirectly establish the existence or nonexistence of a fact or event that the party seeks to prove.

    There was no information or testimony proving the existence of the alleged shotgun, and even the witness who first drew attention to the possibility of it being hidden, withdrew his testimony under oath.

    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home


    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home

    So believe what you will, but please discontinue making this bogus claim.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    but please discontinue making this bogus claim.
    The only bogus claim is yours.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    You have repeated this claim of circumstantial evidence proving the existence of a shot gun many times, and I have asked you before to provide said circumstantial evidence. You have thus far declined, so I went looking for it.
    1. You clearly are confused and not understanding what you are reading. I said there is circumstantial evidence that suggests the gun did exist.
    Not once have I said it was proven to have existed. There is a big difference in what you are falsely saying I said, and what I actually said.
    So stop making bogus claims.
    2. Where did you ask me to provided anything that I hadn't already provided? Or is this just another of your bogus claims?


    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    First off - do you understand what is meant, in the legal sense, by circumstantial evidence? Allow me to assist with the legal definition -

    Information and testimony presented by a party in a civil or criminal action that permit conclusions that indirectly establish the existence or nonexistence of a fact or event that the party seeks to prove.
    You clearly need to pay attention to, and start understanding what you are reading.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    There was no information or testimony proving the existence of the alleged shotgun, and even the witness who first drew attention to the possibility of it being hidden, withdrew his testimony under oath.
    Wrong on all counts.
    1. No one said it was proven.
    2. The witness did not change what he said. It appeared to him that the individual was trying to stash something. So that is another false claim you have made. You taking the following exchange and twisting it to mean he withdrew his claim is absurdity at best.

    "Just so it's clear, the whole time you saw the vehicle, you never saw them throw anything out of the vehicle?" an investigator asked.

    "Correct," the man said.

    "And you never saw any weapons of any kind?" the investigator asked.

    "Correct," the man said.

    There is no withdrawal of his claim that it appeared to him to be stashing or looking for something.

    And secondly, it was established by his 911 call that it was dark enough not to be able to be certain of the drivers hair style (just long), and on cross that he was not observing the guys in the red Durango the whole time.
    So any suggestion that he would have seen anything thrown out of the vehicle is ridiculous.

    So I would suggest you stop with your bogus claims.




    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Police said the teens pulled out of the gas station toward The Loop, got out, and then reversed back to the gas station.

    "The vehicle was either observed by witnesses or impounded by police, so anything in that vehicle would have still been in that vehicle or probably still be in that vehicle, and it's been combed through," Phillips said.

    Besides the police getting things wrong, like stating it was 90 seconds the Durango was gone, when the time is more likely over 6 minutes, the police are not witnesses to what happened.
    Hmmm? 6 minutes doing what?
    6 minutes that Davis laid dying in the back while they didn't even call 911. But the driver did call his aunt who later came into the area.
    Puh-lease!
    The circumstantial evidence is there, and suggestive like I said.


    The facts win again, so again, I would suggest you stop with your bogus claims.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Good job putting together a cogent rebuttal that put the nail in the coffin.


    Untruths do not make a cognitive rebuttal.
    Nor do they put a nail in any coffin.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Why are you quoting what I said to another person, and making an irrelevant response to it?

    You still need to back up your claims, which we already know you can not do.
    My testimony is evidence which you've repeatedly stated is acceptable.

    Did Dunn have any inaccuracies in his statements?
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    My testimony is evidence which you've repeatedly stated is acceptable.
    You are being silly. You were not a witness, and you did not testify during the trial.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are being silly. You were not a witness, and you did not testify during the trial.
    No, no, no, you were stating that Dunn's testimony was evidence before it was ever admitted to court.

    My testimony, which is likewise not yet admitted into court, is also evidence. These are your standards.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    No, no, no, you were stating that Dunn's testimony was evidence before it was ever admitted to court.

    My testimony, which is likewise not yet admitted into court, is also evidence. These are your standards.
    You are again being silly again.
    Your take on what you think my standards are, is ridiculous.
    He was a witness to what happened. His account is evidence.
    You were not a witness, so you are being absurdly silly.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are again being silly again.
    He was a witness to what happened. His account is evidence.
    You were not a witness, so you are being absurdly silly.
    How do you know I wasn't a witness?

    Did Dunn have any inaccuracies in his statements?
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