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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Was a shotgun found? No? Proven!
    For some reason it escapes you that a gun not being found, does not mean that one did not exist.

    I wonder why that is?
    Especially as there is circumstantial evidence that suggests it was stashed.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    For some reason it escapes you that a gun not being found, does not mean that one did not exist.

    I wonder why that is?
    Especially as there is circumstantial evidence that suggests it was stashed.

    What is it that you do not understand about these things?
    I answered your question repeatedly.

    Were there any inaccuracies in Dunn's statements?

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    For some reason it escapes you that a gun not being found, does not mean that one did not exist.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    I snicker at the thought of Davis suddenly turned into an uncontrollable blood-thirsty killer that night. After all, I'm sure like most hot-headed teenagers, he would be having a lengthy history of threatening and killing tons of other teens in high school for the usual teenage quarrel and confrontation. And after all, that night they were planning for a good time cruising the mall for girls and thinking a shotgun on the floor of a tight back compartment was a very good idea to set the girls in romantic mood. It's absurd.

    He said they scowled at him but he turned away not paying no attention, rolled up his window and faced straight.That's because a confrontation was the last thing he was looking for. Yeah right.

    Jordan Davis saying: "I should f-ing KILL that m-f" and his polite "Excuse me - are you talking about me?" ----too sanitized. I call it bs.

    Jordan Davis coming at him with a 10 or 20 gauge shotgun saying "You're dead, bitch! This thing is going down now!" and he went to glove compartment to get his gun, put a bullet in the chamber and still have time to make a very polite and dramatic declarative line "You are not going to kill me you son of a bitch". It's ridiculous ----this bs never happened.

    John Guy should have asked him on the stand when he acted out under cross: "Is this the way you behaved on that night or worst?"
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I think they're right. And the state will probably re-try him on the 1st degree murder charge. I don't know how they can call it pre-meditated, frankly...I don't know, maybe they won't re-try him. It's a bit of a stretch.

    But he did wrong. He's a very bad example of a gun-owner. If he hadn't left? If there had been a gun? Maybe they'd have found it. The leaving is what did it for me. No reasonable person would leave the scene when they'd killed someone. If he was afraid and THAT'S why he left right away? Then you call the coppers immediately or go right to the station. Maybe he was BAC impaired.
    It's extremely hard to prove First Degree Murder. That is premeditated murder.

    Hell, you can piss someone off and get shot dead and that isn't even First Degree Murder (in most states).

    To get a First Degree Murder charge you have to premeditate the murder - and that is difficult considering getting insides ones head is impossible.

    I don't know much about this case considering it's called the "loud music case" and that kinda drops my interest so.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's extremely hard to prove First Degree Murder. That is premeditated murder.

    Hell, you can piss someone off and get shot dead and that isn't even First Degree Murder (in most states).

    To get a First Degree Murder charge you have to premeditate the murder - and that is difficult considering getting insides ones head is impossible.

    I don't know much about this case considering it's called the "loud music case" and that kinda drops my interest so.
    Not sure it's that difficult to prove. Bringing a weapon with you instead of using one of opportunity is pretty much a slam dunk, in my opinion.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I answered your question repeatedly.

    Were there any inaccuracies in Dunn's statements?


    A say invisible pink unicorns don't exist. Now prove that they do exist.
    Why are you quoting what I said to another person, and making an irrelevant response to it?

    You still need to back up your claims, which we already know you can not do.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not sure it's that difficult to prove. Bringing a weapon with you instead of using one of opportunity is pretty much a slam dunk, in my opinion.
    That doesn't prove anything....


    The statute in most states say that you have to have premeditation........ I could bring a weapon to a bar, get pissed at a guy aim the gun at him and shoot the damn bartender on accident and that is not First Degree Murder.

    The statute is premeditation - meaning the murder (of said dead individual) was planned all a long.

    That is almost impossible to prove...

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    For some reason it escapes you that a gun not being found, does not mean that one did not exist.

    I wonder why that is?
    Especially as there is circumstantial evidence that suggests it was stashed.

    What is it that you do not understand about these things?
    You have repeated this claim of circumstantial evidence proving the existence of a shot gun many times, and I have asked you before to provide said circumstantial evidence. You have thus far declined, so I went looking for it.

    First off - do you understand what is meant, in the legal sense, by circumstantial evidence? Allow me to assist with the legal definition -

    Information and testimony presented by a party in a civil or criminal action that permit conclusions that indirectly establish the existence or nonexistence of a fact or event that the party seeks to prove.

    There was no information or testimony proving the existence of the alleged shotgun, and even the witness who first drew attention to the possibility of it being hidden, withdrew his testimony under oath.

    Seconds after 17-year-old Jordan Davis was shot outside a Gate gas station in November, a man was leaving The Loop restaurant with his sister and son next door.

    He heard the gunshots and called police, telling the dispatcher he saw the driver and passenger get out of the red Dodge Durango that was carrying Davis and three other teens.

    "One was on his cellphone looking back, and it looked like they were pretty much just -- I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what, but it looked like they got out, kind of brushed themselves off and then they got back in," the witness told a 911 dispatcher.

    That comment, suggesting the teens could have stashed a weapon, is likely what defense attorneys for murder suspect Michael Dunn will latch onto in this case. Dunn is accused of firing into the teens' SUV several times during a dispute over loud music.

    In his sworn statements to the state attorney's office the following month, the man from The Loop clarified that he did not see the men try to hide anything.

    "Just so it's clear, the whole time you saw the vehicle, you never saw them throw anything out of the vehicle?" an investigator asked.

    "Correct," the man said.

    "And you never saw any weapons of any kind?" the investigator asked.

    "Correct," the man said.
    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home

    Police said the teens pulled out of the gas station toward The Loop, got out, and then reversed back to the gas station.

    "The vehicle was either observed by witnesses or impounded by police, so anything in that vehicle would have still been in that vehicle or probably still be in that vehicle, and it's been combed through," Phillips said.
    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home

    So believe what you will, but please discontinue making this bogus claim.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    You have repeated this claim of circumstantial evidence proving the existence of a shot gun many times, and I have asked you before to provide said circumstantial evidence. You have thus far declined, so I went looking for it.

    First off - do you understand what is meant, in the legal sense, by circumstantial evidence? Allow me to assist with the legal definition -

    Information and testimony presented by a party in a civil or criminal action that permit conclusions that indirectly establish the existence or nonexistence of a fact or event that the party seeks to prove.

    There was no information or testimony proving the existence of the alleged shotgun, and even the witness who first drew attention to the possibility of it being hidden, withdrew his testimony under oath.

    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home


    Witness says he saw teens get out of SUV after shooting | News - Home

    So believe what you will, but please discontinue making this bogus claim.
    Good job putting together a cogent rebuttal that put the nail in the coffin. Two got out of the vehicle, one on the cell phone and the other brushing his clothing probably to check if he was hit. Two witnesses were very close nearby witnessing all this event that took only a few seconds. They didn't see any weapon being tossed out and if stashed inside the vehicle, the Durango was impounded when police was at the scene. And of course no firearm was found in the Durango.

    But, let's see what Excon will say to this next. I'm sure he will come up with something instead of conceding error to the bogus claim.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    When did Dunn contact the police?
    He was in the process of thinking about contacting the authorities...give the guy a break.

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