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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    All this to say nothing different.
    Go figure!


    His account is evidence by itself.
    His account is evidence, as to the hows and whys of his actions.
    As the defendant, his account stands as is, unless disproved.
    His account stands even if it is shown not to be justified.
    As you wish - but with what part of - I respect your right to different opinions upon these matters, but see no point in discussing it further - is presenting comprehension difficulties?
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Now, to claim that Jordan was diving back horizontally into the SUV when he was shot by Dunn, this clearly nailed Dunn for cold blooded murder by his own account which was claimed to be the "evidence". Not to mention he then unleashed several more bullets at a retrieving and fleeing vehicle with three other people inside. However you cut it, Dunn is guilty of murder, period.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The threat of being killed by an imaginary gun.

    The threat of being killed as they were driving off.

    Seriously. Your unwavering belief in this man is just amzing.

    You make like a jury has to believe his self defense story when all evidence points to it being a fabrication.
    Stop with the ridiculousness.
    You can not show it to be imaginary.
    The threat from him still exists whether or not the vehicle is in motion.
    And nothing points to his account being a fabrication. Even Juror's believed him.





    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    As you wish - but with what part of - I respect your right to different opinions upon these matters, but see no point in discussing it further - is presenting comprehension difficulties?
    Apparently, if there is a comprehension problem, it is all yours.

    There is absolutely no reason to think you are going to be allowed to muck things up with with your incomplete understanding.

    The specific argument was over whether or not his account is evidence. Not over the type of evidence it is.

    His account is evidence. Period.
    It is also that which the prosecutor has to show isn't true, or in the alternative, wasn't justified.






    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Now, to claim that Jordan was diving back horizontally into the SUV when he was shot by Dunn, this clearly nailed Dunn for cold blooded murder by his own account which was claimed to be the "evidence". Not to mention he then unleashed several more bullets at a retrieving and fleeing vehicle with three other people inside. However you cut it, Dunn is guilty of murder, period.
    Wrong.

    Davis taking cover did not make him any less of a thereat.





    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So you finally attempted to actually address the discussion....wow. But too bad you still cant prove me wrong. So your claims of ridiculous are just that...unfounded.
    You were the only one not addressing the arguments and the only one attributing to another that which they did not say.
    If you wish to learn how to quote a person correctly ask, I am sure there are other that will help you. But you putting your reply in the quote box off what they said is misquoting them.

    Regardless, everything you have said in reply has already been shown to be ridiculous.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Stop with the ridiculousness.
    You can not show it to be imaginary.
    The threat from him still exists whether or not the vehicle is in motion.
    And nothing points to his account being a fabrication. Even Juror's believed him.
    Yes, three jurors thought his story was plausible. 9 did not.

    You are in the camp of "he said it, must be true". I am not that naïve.

    Jurors do not have to believe a statement.

    They can look at a variety of things to consideration.

    If I were a juror I would want to know if there was any evidence of a shotgun in the car. If any of the boys (or family) owned one. I would first and foremost take into consideration that he did not report anything to the police in a reasonable time frame. He fled the scene and did not report. Left town the next day. Did he even tell his girlfriend about the gun?

    There is no logical reason to believe that there was a shotgun there. There is certainly good reason to believe Dunn made up the story to pretend like his angry over-reaction was life or death -kill or be killed - self defense.

    My gut says he was impaired with alcohol, had a bug up his butt about that kind of music anyway - including the type of person that would listen to it- and over-reacted - likely because of the alcohol impairment. There will be no proof of this because Dunn's actions made it impossible to investigate in a timely manner.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Yes, three jurors thought his story was plausible. 9 did not.
    You forgot to include Juror number eight.
    You know, the one who indicate she believed he was acting in self defense up to the point of where he continued to fire.
    She believed him yet wanted to convict anyways. As pointed out in the other thread, that is not following the law.
    Heck, she even demonstrated a lack of understanding of some of the evidence. D'oh!
    How many others were willing not to follow the law, and misunderstood the evidence?
    Damn good thing the jury was hung.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You are in the camp of "he said it, must be true". I am not that naïve.
    Apparently you are. Especially to even say such nonsense.
    I am in the camp of the law, and in such a camp, to prove the elements necessary, his account must be disproved, and that has not happened.
    And as such, his account stands as is.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Jurors do not have to believe a statement.
    And so far, we have three that are assumed to believe his account, and another one who did, yet wanted to convict anyways.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    They can look at a variety of things to consideration.
    They may not hold against him that which he is not required to do. Which may explain why we have the above predicament.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    If I were a juror I would want to know if there was any evidence of a shotgun in the car. If any of the boys (or family) owned one. I would first and foremost take into consideration that he did not report anything to the police in a reasonable time frame. He fled the scene and did not report. Left town the next day. Did he even tell his girlfriend about the gun?
    None of which is required.
    And all understandable given the traumatic experience.
    As for the GF, she is emotionally unstable. Her not remembering means squat.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    There is no logical reason to believe that there was a shotgun there.
    Wrong.
    He saw something. That something appeared to be a barrel of a shotgun.
    The prosecution can not prove he didn't see one because of the actions of Davis's friends, which as seen buy a witness appeared to be "stashing".
    And then instead of completing a call to police, the driver called his aunt, who later came into the area. Highly suspicious, and all circumstantial evidence that there was a gun which was stashed.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    There is certainly good reason to believe Dunn made up the story to pretend like his angry over-reaction was life or death -kill or be killed - self defense.
    No there isn't.
    That is nothing more than the manifestations of an overly suspicious mind.
    And as such, can't be proven.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    My gut says he was impaired with alcohol, ...
    Your gut?
    iLOL

    Four small drinks over the length of time in question, for a man his size, says your gut is faulty.
    Which really isn't anything new.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You forgot to include Juror number eight.
    You know, the one who indicate she believed he was acting in self defense up to the point of where he continued to fire.
    She believed him yet wanted to convict anyways. As pointed out in the other thread, that is not following the law.
    Heck, she even demonstrated a lack of understanding of some of the evidence. D'oh!
    How many others were willing not to follow the law, and misunderstood the evidence?
    Damn good thing the jury was hung.



    Apparently you are. Especially to even say such nonsense.
    I am in the camp of the law, and in such a camp, to prove the elements necessary, his account must be disproved, and that has not happened.
    And as such, his account stands as is.


    And so far, we have three that are assumed to believe his account, and another one who did, yet wanted to convict anyways.


    They may not hold against him that which he is not required to do. Which may explain why we have the above predicament.


    None of which is required.
    And all understandable given the traumatic experience.
    As for the GF, she is emotionally unstable. Her not remembering means squat.


    Wrong.
    He saw something. That something appeared to be a barrel of a shotgun.
    The prosecution can not prove he didn't see one because of the actions of Davis's friends, which as seen buy a witness appeared to be "stashing".
    And then instead of completing a call to police, the driver called his aunt, who later came into the area. Highly suspicious, and all circumstantial evidence that there was a gun which was stashed.


    No there isn't.
    That is nothing more than the manifestations of an overly suspicious mind.
    And as such, can't be proven.



    Your gut?
    iLOL

    Four small drinks over the length of time in question, for a man his size, says your gut is faulty.
    Which really isn't anything new.
    Excon, Juror # 8 was expressing something plausible. If he had just stopped shooting when the car drove off, it was more in the realm of possibility to think it was about self defense. But that is not what occurred, is it?? He kept shooting into a vehicle filled with passengers. So that "realm of possibility" evaporated. Of course, a lot evaporated when he left the scene and never reported to the police what happened.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Excon, Juror # 8 was expressing something plausible. If he had just stopped shooting when the car drove off, it was more in the realm of possibility to think it was about self defense. But that is not what occurred, is it?? He kept shooting into a vehicle filled with passengers. So that "realm of possibility" evaporated. Of course, a lot evaporated when he left the scene and never reported to the police what happened.
    That is not what she indicated.

    You need to listen to what she actually said. Not what is printed.
    She was not following the law.

    It was self defense until that point.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is not what she indicated.
    Did you question her about what she meant?

    I can actually see if he just stopped shooting when the car drove off (and called the police immediatly) that self defense was at least a possibility . But that is not what happened. he kept shooting and failed to report.

    Idle curiosity, did you see any inconsistencies in Micheal Dunn's interrogation an testimony?

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Did you question her about what she meant?
    It is clear as day, and so is the fact that she wasn't following the law.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    he kept shooting and failed to report.
    He kept shooting at a threat that had stopped directly behind his vehicle.
    Which then began moving again. And until it was out of the vicinity, it was still a threat.

    And he is not required to report anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Idle curiosity, did you see any inconsistencies in Micheal Dunn's interrogation an testimony?
    Play your games elsewhere.

    There are folks saying he lied. Not only that he lied, but that it has been proven. And that just ain't so.
    Those claims are nothing more than their own suspicious mind at work.

    Just like your claims of there is (no reason to believe) or about his GF stating otherwise.
    It is all made up crap from suspicious minds.



    What is sad is that she is being slammed for saying it wasn't racial.
    Last edited by Excon; 02-26-14 at 10:04 AM.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

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    Play your games elsewhere.
    Can you tell me about any inconsistencies you saw in Dunn's testimony?
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