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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    And because these ridiculous quotes need a separate response.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    He ignores and claims the medical examiner submitted faulty information which is a crime in and of itself and would cost her not only her job but probably prison time.
    when asked to support this claim he can't.
    Wrong.
    You know exactly what is being spoke about. The Doctors testimony. I do not need to provide that which you already know.
    You asking for something you already know is nothing but a deflection from your being wrong.
    Even she said she was not given that information so she could not consider it when making her conclusion.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    He ignores that dunn was shot in the car falling away from the door simply because he thinks that the medical examiner ignores what the defense says.
    even though it has been proven to him that the medical examiner along with forensic testing has shown that davis was in the car and sitting down.
    Wrong.
    It is clear that you do not understand what the word ignore means.
    Pointing out that her conclusion is flawed because she wasn't given all the information to consider, is not ignoring it, but is putting it into proper perspective as flawed.

    You can start @ 1:18:15 to listen to the cross examination.


    Listen to her say she wasn't given all the information. Only the information given to her by law enforcement.
    Listen to her say she was only operating under that information.

    And once you are done listening to it all, smack your forehead for trying to argue the crap you have in regards to this.
    She didn't have the information to come to a proper conclusion.

    Conclusions reached that do not consider all available information, are faulty.

    Had she had it, she could have, but she didn't.
    She even said she would consider it if it was given to her.

    So really, smack your forehead like this.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Very important points.

    Testimony as evidence has to show it's value. The testimony had no value (except perhaps a negative one) because nothing else pointed to him being truthful.
    exactly which is why 9 of the people on the jury voted to convict him of murder.
    we will see what the next jury says.

    either way this guy is still going away for a long time.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That isn't what happened.

    And of interest to your absurd statement: Our society does not allow anybody to violate the privacy of another's space with ear rumbling, car shaking music.
    His politely asking them to turn down the music, was in accord with societal values. Davis's reaction to that was not.
    As a BTW, Florida has a noise ordinance law and the driver could have been ticketed. At the same time making noise, using profanity, failure to use turning signals, driving in the carpool lane, parking in the handicapped parking space or a variety of infractions that can get you ticketed by the police does not authorize drunks with guns to legally kill you.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    As a BTW, Florida has a noise ordinance law and the driver could have been ticketed. At the same time making noise, using profanity, failure to use turning signals, driving in the carpool lane, parking in the handicapped parking space or a variety of infractions that can get you ticketed by the police does not authorize drunks with guns to legally kill you.
    Your attempt at presenting false information is noted as well as lame.
    He killed a person who was threatening his life.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your attempt at presenting false information is noted as well as lame.
    He killed a person who was threatening his life.
    Not according to the jury, the body that is charged with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence. At present time and until the a new jury renders a verdict its his word against the State of Florida, multiple witnesses and his own girlfriend. As a BTW, one of the jurors from the first trial has come forward and said 9 of the 12 jurors determined he was guilty of murder.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Not according to the jury, the body that is charged with the responsibility of determining guilt or innocence. At present time and until the a new jury renders a verdict its his word against the State of Florida, multiple witnesses and his own girlfriend. As a BTW, one of the jurors from the first trial has come forward and said 9 of the 12 jurors determined he was guilty of murder.
    Yes even according to the jury you are asserting false information. There was no evidence of him being a drunk or actually being drunk that day.
    You were asserting false bs.
    And, had you bothered to pay attention to what that juror actually said, it was that they believed he could have done something else.
    Not because they didn't believe his account.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And?
    The circumstantial evidence suggests it was stashed.
    I regret that I have not read every word written in the media about this case, and I have not encountered that circumstantial evidence. Would you be so kind as to quote it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Dunn's account is evidence. Period.
    And is evidence in the legal sense, as it is called testimonial evidence. And establishes the fact of his account, which in this case the Prosecution must disprove, or in the alternative, show wasn't justified.

    If not disproved, it stands as what happened. Which apparently most folks arguing this topic do not seem understand.
    Then the only alternative is to show it wasn't justified.

    Testimony

    Oral evidence offered by a competent witness under oath, which is used to establish some fact or set of facts.

    testimony legal definition of testimony. testimony synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    testimonial evidence
    Oral or written assertion offered in a court as a proof of the truth of what is being stated. It includes testimony and hearsay evidence.


    What is testimonial evidence? definition and meaning
    Thank you for those references. By no means do I claim any level of expertise in these matters, but as someone involved in the early stages of a degree in laws and jurisprudence, I have some awareness of the meaning of the terms testimony and evidence (as they apply within British and international law).

    We both appear to understand the same thing with the term testimony, but perhaps there is a variation of understanding with the terms 'evidence', and 'testimonial evidence'.

    Within the legal system with which I am familiar, simple testimony is not regarded as evidence per se. It becomes testimonial evidence when it contains elements that serve as a proof of the veracity of an assertion.

    E.g: X is accused of a violent crime and asserts that he was not at that location but at the theatre. He quotes a minor mishap in the production not reported in the media. This testimony, when accepted by the court, serves as evidence of the truth of his statement, and serves as testimonial evidence (which differs from material, documentary, or circumstantial evidence).

    But please be advised that I respect your right to different opinions upon these matters, and I have no intention of engaging in page long discussions with you. We are at a point where we must simply agree to disagree in a civil manner.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I regret that I have not read every word written in the media about this case, and I have not encountered that circumstantial evidence. Would you be so kind as to quote it?



    Thank you for those references. By no means do I claim any level of expertise in these matters, but as someone involved in the early stages of a degree in laws and jurisprudence, I have some awareness of the meaning of the terms testimony and evidence (as they apply within British and international law).

    We both appear to understand the same thing with the term testimony, but perhaps there is a variation of understanding with the terms 'evidence', and 'testimonial evidence'.

    Within the legal system with which I am familiar, simple testimony is not regarded as evidence per se. It becomes testimonial evidence when it contains elements that serve as a proof of the veracity of an assertion.

    E.g: X is accused of a violent crime and asserts that he was not at that location but at the theatre. He quotes a minor mishap in the production not reported in the media. This testimony, when accepted by the court, serves as evidence of the truth of his statement, and serves as testimonial evidence (which differs from material, documentary, or circumstantial evidence).

    But please be advised that I respect your right to different opinions upon these matters, and I have no intention of engaging in page long discussions with you. We are at a point where we must simply agree to disagree in a civil manner.
    Very well said. But, it's going to be a lost cause to one who keeps insisting that Dunn's statement is the evidence in the sense of it being a proven fact beyond all doubt while dismissing the other three surviving victims' opposing account and other neutral witness' account as not believable even though their material accounts were pretty much consistent with impartial witness account while Dunn not only lied but perjured himself while under oath taken before the judge and jury.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    The notion that Dunn politely told the kids to turn down the music as if it's a proven fact is laughable. The idea that he was the one who was trying to deescalate things while Jordan Davis was the one out of control is even more funny considering Dunn's demeanor in the trial video of him taking the stand and being crossed examined by John Guy. He was like trying to suppress a volcano within him while Guy was simply doing his job as a prosecutor in his murder case. I mean, if that guy got his hand on a gun he could have shot Guy right in the face between his eyes for a few good close shots he had with the Durango.

    So, on Dunn's so-called gentle and polite demeanor that night I call bs on that.

    Also, the medical examiners can only receive crime scene evidence and other information from the police investigators and the prosecution's office. The medical examiners don't go out to the crime scene and interview the shooting victims and witnesses to find out whether Jordan Davis was sitting in the front seat or back seat. Witnesses saw Davis friend sitting in the back seat crying uncontrollably while clutching Jordan Davis' dying body before they lay him down to the floor for resuscitation. The medical examiners don't go around collecting shell casings or go examine the bullet holes in the Durango. They obtained all these info, pictures and crime scene evidence directly from the police and the DA's office through proper chain of custody.

    When have we ever heard of the medical examiners taking anything relating to a crime from the average joe on the street or from family members or from the defense team? It's just a silly notion.

    For what the medical examine had, it is obvious that Davis was shot while sitting in the back seat. How else did the bullet trajectory entered his lower right side and ended up near the left shoulder just below the armpit?

    Michael Dunn had to be laying on the ground to shoot upward towards Davis if he was standing.

    And how did another bullet enter the right side of the thigh and ended up in the groin while another entered the lower left inner thigh to end up exiting the upper left outer thigh? Again, Michael Dunn would have to be laying down to get an upward diagonal trajectory.

    The only way the bullets could trace those trajectory through the body was when Davis was in seated position and these also lined up with the bullet holes and their paths that passed through the door panel of the back passenger compartment as demonstrated by the long dowels.

    All the elements and evidence are there for the medical examiner to make the conclusion. To say that she wasn't given all the information to consider ---- I call it bs.

    One thing the prosecution failed to do in Strolla's cross of the medical examiner was their failure to raise an objection when Strolla bashed her with a question "garbage in garbage out" that was purely meant to ridicule the medical examiner instead of posing a genuine question.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The prosecution has to prove to twelve people what he said didn't happen. She failed.
    At least three people believed his account as to why he was shooting.
    And as the Juror who spoke out said, she and others wanted to find him guilty because he could have done something else.
    Not because he wasn't responding to a threat. Which, if accurate, is not in accord with the law.
    Should have done something else. Had every opportunity not to.

    His actions currently have him in jail for the rest of his "life"

    My guess is that the second shot at him will probably have him with a murder conviction. But frankly - icing on the cake. He is toast. He is probably being eyed to rush a prison fraternity as we speak. He should fit right in.

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