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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think they reached to high with trying him for 1st degree murder, they should have went for trying him on 2nd degree murder or some lesser charge.The fact they didn't find a gun or pipe on the victims doesn't prove Dunn was lying since they had plenty of time to ditch those things while they were driving off(unless of course the police immediately did a thorough search after the victims were taken to the hospital). Comparing this case to the Zimmerman case is ****ing idiotic seeing how Zimmerman was getting his head bashed in.
    I agree with you about the Zimmerman comparison. There is none. If I'm not mistaken, the only person comparing it to the Zimmerman/Martin case was the defense attorney. Nice try.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

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    What is the definition of murder in Florida? Am I right in my understanding that the act has to fit the definition provided by the state?
    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
    [U]782.04 Murder.—[/U]
    (1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being:
    1. When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;
    2. When committed by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:
    a. Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
    b. Arson,
    c. Sexual battery,
    d. Robbery,
    e. Burglary,
    f. Kidnapping,
    g. Escape,
    h. Aggravated child abuse,
    i. Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
    j. Aircraft piracy,
    k. Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
    l. Carjacking,
    m. Home-invasion robbery,
    n. Aggravated stalking,
    o. Murder of another human being,
    p. Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person,
    q. Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
    r. Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism; or
    3. Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium, or methadone by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
    is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.
    (b) In all cases under this section, the procedure set forth in s. 921.141 shall be followed in order to determine sentence of death or life imprisonment.
    (2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (3) When a human being is killed during the perpetration of, or during the attempt to perpetrate, any:
    (a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
    (b) Arson,
    (c) Sexual battery,
    (d) Robbery,
    (e) Burglary,
    (f) Kidnapping,
    (g) Escape,
    (h) Aggravated child abuse,
    (i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
    (j) Aircraft piracy,
    (k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
    (l) Carjacking,
    (m) Home-invasion robbery,
    (n) Aggravated stalking,
    (o) Murder of another human being,
    (p) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
    (q) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
    (r) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
    by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony commits murder in the second degree, which constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (4) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any:
    (a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
    (b) Arson,
    (c) Sexual battery,
    (d) Robbery,
    (e) Burglary,
    (f) Kidnapping,
    (g) Escape,
    (h) Aggravated child abuse,
    (i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
    (j) Aircraft piracy,
    (k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
    (l) Unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
    (m) Carjacking,
    (n) Home-invasion robbery,
    (o) Aggravated stalking,
    (p) Murder of another human being,
    (q) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
    (r) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
    (s) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,
    is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (5) As used in this section, the term “terrorism” means an activity that:
    (a)1. Involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or
    2. Involves a violation of s. 815.06; and
    (b) Is intended to:
    1. Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;
    2. Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    3. Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with you about the Zimmerman comparison. There is none. If I'm not mistaken, the only person comparing it to the Zimmerman/Martin case was the defense attorney. Nice try.
    not that im defneing the defense attorney but not only did he do that he tried EVERYTHING

    he was just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks, he looked like a complete ass out there and even a couple people that took the stand made him look worse and gave him no respect for the transparent and dishonest tactics he was trying
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    I can't really say I'm surprised. As soon as they announced that the jury had asked whether they could decide on only some charges this is how I expected it to go. Obviously some of them believed his claims of self defense, but I'm glad to see that he's getting what he deserves for his reckless behavior.
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ...........................
    That was awfully nice of you to post. Thanks. Based on what I read here this seems to me the only definition that may apply would be:

    (2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


    maybe they balked at defining his act using the parts I have selected in bold?
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I can't really say I'm surprised. As soon as they announced that the jury had asked whether they could decide on only some charges this is how I expected it to go. Obviously some of them believed his claims of self defense, but I'm glad to see that he's getting what he deserves for his reckless behavior.
    agreed but thats just it


    maybe i dont understand florida law but how do some of those retards come to the conclusion that it was self defense but agree on the attempted murders?

    if it was self defense wouldnt you not agree on that but only agree on the firing into an occupied vehicle

    it doesnt make sense

    how low were they allowed to go on the attempted murders.

    If i believe it was self defense i would drop those charges to reckless endangerment or something IF i could maybe they couldnt
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not that im defneing the defense attorney but not only did he do that he tried EVERYTHING

    he was just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks, he looked like a complete ass out there and even a couple people that took the stand made him look worse and gave him no respect for the transparent and dishonest tactics he was trying
    Yeah, I know, you're right.

    I've asked attorneys why it's this way, and they say, "It's our job....to do everything we POSSIBLY can to defend our client. I actually don't agree with this. To me, an attorneys job ought to be to help him obtain the best justice he can obtain. And if he's guilty? That probably means taking a deal.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That was awfully nice of you to post. Thanks. Based on what I read here this seems to me the only definition that may apply would be:

    (2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


    maybe they balked at defining his act using the parts I have selected in bold?
    you're welcome

    in my opinion anybody that didnt see this as m1, m2 or at least manslaughter wouldnt be able to understand those words anyway
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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact they didn't find a gun or pipe on the victims doesn't prove Dunn was lying since they had plenty of time to ditch those things while they were driving off(unless of course the police immediately did a thorough search after the victims were taken to the hospital).
    If you had a shotgun in your car and somebody had just killed your buddy and now is just standing there shooting at you what would you do with a powerful shotgun? I would have blasted his ass in self defense to save myself.
    There was no shotgun.

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    Re: Dunn convicted of attempted murder; hung jury on murder in 'loud-music' trial

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I know, you're right.

    I've asked attorneys why it's this way, and they say, "It's our job....to do everything we POSSIBLY can to defend our client. I actually don't agree with this. To me, an attorneys job ought to be to help him obtain the best justice he can obtain. And if he's guilty? That probably means taking a deal.
    I agree in general it is thier job to do everything possible, this is why i could never be a lawyer or at least a defense one. If i thought my client was guilty i couldnt defend them.

    anyway it is a common tactic but a good lawyer will do it with style and under the radar and look like they know what they are talking about. This guy didnt do that, even my daughter in HS was like wow he is desperate who does he think he is fooling lol
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