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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Remember: black people in the 60s weren't angry about being called niggers.
    They weren't, huh? You probably never entered many Black bars. That's maybe the craziest thing I've ever read on these boards.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I did. I'm sure I did.
    Ah, excellent.

    When the topic is as complex as an ism? Restricting what it means is absolute nonsense
    So it's bad. Then why are you restricting it to only definition 2?

    rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
    Why are you insisting that only one definition fits? That's restricting it. You're basically pretending 1 and 3 don't exist.

    Like, you said:

    Racism diluted down to simply being a dislike of people of other ethnic/racial groups is racialism.
    And we can see that, by definition, that's false. Right there in the definition, as close to word-for-word as one could reasonably want. And you're just...ignoring it? lol WHY??
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    NWO, no one is impressed by your dictionary. Go to school.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They weren't, huh? You probably never entered many Black bars. That's maybe the craziest thing I've ever read on these boards.
    Par for the course for you to take soundbytes and use them as you need. Read my post again in full context. Again, if you think the civil rights movement were about verbal aggression you simply do not understand what it was actually about. It was about institutional racism. Not some white guy who didn't like black people.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, hate crime laws would still be used as he was disabled. This is why it is key to understand hate crime legislation.


    The black thugs used racial slurs as they beat and robbed the white man, his disability was not mentioned in the attack.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Ah, excellent.



    So it's bad. Then why are you restricting it to only definition 2?



    Why are you insisting that only one definition fits? That's restricting it. You're basically pretending 1 and 3 don't exist.

    Like , you said:



    And we can see that, by definition, that's false. And you're just...ignoring it? lol WHY??
    I am not. If you actually read the definitions, number 2 is dependent on number 1 and vice versa. Where the first definition clearly states that racism alludes to ruling over other races, the second reinstates that same idea by showing that it is also dependent on an actual system. The last 3 of the definitions is the most commonly used soundbyte about what racism is even though it's clear from the first two definitions (let's call them academic definitions) that racism is 1) race based followed by 2) exercise of power.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You also said that black people can't be racist. And when that simple statement was corrected, you started ignoring definitions of words you didn't like, lying about what people said, and implying that people that disagreed with you were racist themselves. Childish.
    They are talking about institutionalized racism, and you are talking about individual prejudice.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The black thugs used racial slurs as they beat and robbed the white man, his disability was not mentioned in the attack.
    You obviously then do not understand how hate crime legislation works. If they had attacked 10 disabled vets without mentioning they were in a wheelchair would that have been a hate crime? Yes. Regardless of whether or not disability based language was used. If they had attacked 10 white people without mentioning their race, would that have been a hate crime? Yes. Your ignorance on this subject is actually really entertaining. Tell us, what is the standard of proof for a hate crime? If you say "Whether the attacker is black or not" you'll look foolish simply due to statistics on sentencing for hate crime. Why don't you do us all a favor and scuttle off.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I am not. If you actually read the definitions, number 2 is dependent on number 1 and vice versa.
    2 is indeed dependent on 1. There is no indication that 1 is dependent on 2, however.

    Where the first definition clearly states that racism alludes to ruling over other races, the second reinstates that same idea by showing that it is also dependent on an actual system.
    The first alludes to a desire to rule, not the reality of rule. And even then, it's hedged with "usually".

    The last 3 of the definitions is the most commonly used soundbyte about what racism is even though it's clear from the first two definitions (let's call them academic definitions) that racism is 1) race based followed by 2) exercise of power.
    Well, yes. It is most commonly used. Because words have meaning.

    So if someone asks "Can black people be racist?" and I didn't know what the word meant, I would first look up racism ("a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others") then I would look up racism, since that's where it points me. I would read the first one and think "I've heard of some black people believing that "inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement" and whether or not it has to do with "usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others" doesn't really matter.

    That'd be enough on its own to answer "Yes, black people can be racist" but continuing on I'd probably find (in the US) that the second definition probably doesn't apply (although there are some cases where it conceivably could). Then I'd read the third definition, see that it applied, and it would be very clear. The only way someone can say that black people can't be racist is if they restrict the definition of the word for whatever reason, something you've already said is "nonsense".

    This isn't really even a debate, although ecofarm's attempt certainly made for some great fun.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They are talking about institutionalized racism, and you are talking about individual prejudice.
    I'm talking about the actual definition of the word "racism".
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