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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure, because there's no racism in America today!

    I want what she's smoking too.
    Not "institutionalized" as you would claim. It's pretty much an individual phenomenon, unless you are referring to a specific group such as the KKK, but I don't agree with individuals being charged with hate crimes.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    hen you must agree that rape would be a "hate" crime against women, and child molestation would be a hate crime against children
    You do realise that rape happens to men too, yes? And that child molestation is not a crime done by people who hate children? Yes? And that nobody is immune to hate crime based on crimes? Yes? Which is why we have separate guidelines for each. You molest a child? Child molestation laws apply. Not rape laws. And that if you rape a man, the same rape laws which apply to women are used. Yes? There aren't separate sentencing laws for white people who violate hate crime laws and black people who violate hate crime laws. It's pretty global.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    It is only a hate crime if the reason for the attack was race. I think the reason for this attack was robbery. I would think that this group of thugs has attacked others in the past and I suspect vulnerability is a bigger factor in the choice of victims than race.
    You are missing the point here. If white kids beat and robbed a disabled black vet while taunting him with racial slurs the question of whether or not it was a hate crime would be in the article for sure and possibly in the headline itself.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No it doesn't. You read it wrong.

    I'm quite sure the sociology department has a dictionary too. And they say you're full of crap.
    Says the guy who thought I said I wouldn't call people names. Here's a newsflash: you can't read.

    You want to ignore that definitions 1 and 3 exist. Fine. But don't be surprised when people laugh at you:

    rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not "institutionalized" as you would claim. It's pretty much an individual phenomenon, unless you are referring to a specific group such as the KKK, but I don't agree with individuals being charged with hate crimes.
    Blacks today suffer unjust discrimination in a variety of circumstances, from the judicial system to housing to employment.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are missing the point here. If white kids beat and robbed a disabled black vet while taunting him with racial slurs the question of whether or not it was a hate crime would be in the article for sure and possibly in the headline itself.
    You're so persecuted!

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who's been punished for hating black people?

    Hatuey, did you ever get back to me about when it's okay to restrict and ignore some definitions or not? Sorry if I missed it. Is it generally good to do it or is it bad? Or does it depend on if it furthers your agenda or not?
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are missing the point here. If white kids beat and robbed a disabled black vet while taunting him with racial slurs the question of whether or not it was a hate crime would be in the article for sure and possibly in the headline itself.
    Actually, hate crime laws would still be used as he was disabled and just white. This is why it is key to understand hate crime legislation.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, hate crime laws would still be used as he was disabled. This is why it is key to understand hate crime legislation.
    Blacks have been convicted of hate crimes against whites. There's just a lot less organized bigotry among blacks than whites, and the crime being motivated by an organization or (possessed) propaganda is an important aspect of prosecution.

    That's why, in one article presented herein, blacks are being charged with hate crimes against a Hispanic. The "papi slouching" implies an organized effort to attack people of a certain race. If they have physical material (a pamphlet, website, something distributed within a gang, etc) about doing this sort of thing, I believe they are in for a conviction.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Hatuey, did you ever get back to me about when it's okay to restrict and ignore some definitions or not? Sorry if I missed it. Is it generally good to do it or is it bad? Or does it depend on if it furthers your agenda or not?
    I did. I'm sure I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When the term is something as complex as racism? Sure. It also goes for any of the other "isms". You're not engaging in feminism by being nice to women. You're not engaging in nazism simply because you hate Jews. You're not engaging in Fordism simply by driving a Ford. Again, complex term, analysis which requires more than childish tantrums and dictionary definitions.
    When the topic is as complex as an ism? Restricting what it means is absolute nonsense as the subject requires objectivity and not preconceived bias. Are you a feminist simply because you support the women in your family? No. Are you a mysogynist simply because you beat up a girlfriend? No. Context and complexity of the term are important. Racism diluted down to simply being a dislike of people of other ethnic/racial groups is racialism. Racialism with the ability to exercise racialist beliefs within a power structure? Racism.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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