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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So now we're restricting definitions? Why is that? Even your dictionary annotations describe racism existing within a context of power.
    And then the question is, does a word have to fit every individual definition to be used correctly? Or does it only have to fit one?

    I mean, I'm not restricting definitions, you are. You're saying the #1 and #3 definitions don't count without #2. If that were the case, #2 would be the only one. But it's not.

    rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Why are you restricting definitions?

    You didn't see the point of me posting all those definitions? Now you're just being intellectually lazy. A step above ecofarm, though, who quickly decided that anyone that disagreed with him was racist against black people (I specify, because one can be racist against white people, too, of course).
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh really? Then why am I almost the only person on my side? While you sit over there, safely among the idiots.
    Wrong about definitions, wrong about how to apply them, implying I'm racist against black people, now lying about what I said.

    You don't even have the balls to admit you lied about what I said. Pathetic.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And then the question is, does a word have to fit every individual definition to be used correctly?
    When the term is something as complex as racism? Sure. It also goes for any of the other "isms". You're not engaging in feminism by being nice to women. You're not engaging in nazism simply because you hate Jews. You're not engaging in Fordism simply by driving a Ford. Again, complex term, analysis which requires more than childish tantrums and dictionary definitions.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, they do. Meanings which are not decided through childish tantrums or intellectual meltdowns but context and analysis.
    Actually context, analysis AND definition.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When the term is something as complex as racism? Sure. It also goes for any of the other "isms". You're not engaging in feminism by being nice to women. You're not engaging in nazism simply because you hate Jews. You're not engaging in Fordism simply by driving a Ford. Again, complex term, analysis which requires more than childish tantrums and dictionary definitions.
    So you're saying that it's subjective. Fine. Then don't argue with people about it when they disagree. And if you say it's not subjective, then you need to adhere to the actual definition.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When the term is something as complex as racism? Sure. It also goes for any of the other "isms". You're not engaging in feminism by being nice to women. You're not engaging in nazism simply because you hate Jews. You're not engaging in Fordism simply by driving a Ford. Again, complex term, analysis which requires more than childish tantrums and dictionary definitions.
    I edited my post, so I want to make sure you see this:

    I mean, I'm not restricting definitions, you are. You're saying the #1 and #3 definitions don't count without #2. If that were the case, #2 would be the only one. But it's not.

    rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Why are you restricting definitions?
    So you seemed to be saying that restricting definitions was bad. Is it still bad when it doesn't work in your favor to point that out? Or are we okay with restricting definitions when it suits your purpose?
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The left gives blacks a pass for this sort of behavior for two reasons 1) They are afraid of black people and don't want to make them angry. 2) They have built up victimhood fence around blacks to buy their political loyalty that they don't want to shatter it. It would, of course, be in the overall best interest of blacks for to have this sort of behavior stigmatized, but the left really isn't interested in improving the lot of blacks in this country.
    I really can't say anything, but just shake my head at this post. If you want minorities and women to vote for your party, then maybe your party should stop talk us like we are all abused and exploited, and too stupid to see it for ourselves. Basically slapping us all in the face is the new way of dissing the left wing now. Seriously, wtf... we are individual people. Stop talking about us like we are all idiots who can't overcome being exploited and used.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I view it through economic/ideological/cultural/political glasses. Racialists do not have power within a society on any of those levels. Racists do. Again, even the dictionary admits that for racism to exist, it carries several complex layers with power being the second determining factor after race itself.
    The problem here, Hatuey, is twofold. For starters, relying on macro to define micro just doesn't cut it because it does not truly assess who has power and who doesn't. It ASSUMES a person of color has no power even if they do. This assumption that a black CEO, school administrator or politician has no power to implement racist systems simply because other black people don't is fallacious as all get up. These blanket statements that blacks (I/e all blacks) cannot be racist because SOME blacks do not have power or have faced discrimination historically are idiotic.

    The second problem has to do with perception, and the way memes are transmitted. This is more subtle, of course, but when an entire system treats one group differently than it does another to the point that one cannot be criticized, then this racialism BECOMES racist by very nature of the intimidating weight of the collective application of these memes. THat is very much a power structure, even if it is less overt than the "whites only" signs of days gone by.

    Just hold everybody to the same effing standard if you really want to eliminate racism is what I say.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes, but that is how liberals view it. Take it up with them.
    This really isn't a partisan issue, and yet you are making it one. You view minorities in the context of a partisan hack. Way to go... please stop now.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So you're saying that it's subjective. Fine. Then don't argue with people about it when they disagree. And if you say it's not subjective, then you need to adhere to the actual definition.
    You're the one who cannot read definitions. You can spam them pretty well, but you sure as hell can't read them.

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