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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Hey genius nobody said it was completly ignored but what about the one instance of a white person doing it and Eric Holder charging him with a federal hate crime but ignoring the dozens of stories of black racists attacking whites simply for there skin color. Its your world thats delusional
    I pretty sure that the crimes referred to in the OP was not a rape
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Since you are generally a well reasoned and respectful poster, I will attempt to explain what you've missed here.

    Hate crimes require two things, in general:

    1. That there be no other motivation for the crime than the race/gender of the victim. If the accused stole their wallet, hate crime is generally off the table.
    2. The accused must be a member of a hate group that targets the victim's race/gender, or must possess propaganda from a hate group that targets the victim's race/gender.

    As we can see by these standards, hate crimes are more than just interracial crimes. They are crimes committed for the purpose of terrorism and without any other purpose. Thus, when someone robs someone else, it is not a hate crime - even if they are different races - because the motive was not racial hate and the purpose was not to instill fear in the target's race/gender/etc.

    If you're following to that point, then you will understand why the vast majority of black on white (and white on black) crimes are not hate crimes.


    We should note that the use of racial slurs does not make a robbery or other crime a hate crime. The actual standards are outlined above.
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    This is total BS, so if the black offender instead of just bashing his head in calling him honky, cracker ect. in the process decides to lift his wallet then its not a hate crime? This is just a stupid argument

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Since you are generally a well reasoned and respectful poster, I will attempt to explain what you've missed here.

    Hate crimes require two things, in general:

    1. That there be no other motivation for the crime than the race/gender of the victim. If the accused stole their wallet, hate crime is generally off the table.
    2. The accused must be a member of a hate group that targets the victim's race/gender, or must possess propaganda from a hate group that targets the victim's race/gender.

    As we can see by these standards, hate crimes are more than just interracial crimes. They are crimes committed for the purpose of terrorism and without any other purpose. Thus, when someone robs someone else, it is not a hate crime - even if they are different races - because the motive was not racial hate and the purpose was not to instill fear in the target's race/gender/etc.

    If you're following to that point, then you will understand why the vast majority of black on white (and white on black) crimes are not hate crimes.


    We should note that the use of racial slurs does not make a robbery or other crime a hate crime. The actual standards are outlined above.
    That is not what these stories show:

    4 teens charged with hate crime in attacks on Hispanic men in Huntington Station - News 12 Long Island

    http://www.navytimes.com/article/201...ble-hate-crime

    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...141271813.html
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That seems very inconsistent - does it not? That is precisely the point of the OP; that the victim of this robbery and assault was indeed subjected to (selected for?) his race. To be considered as a "hate crime" the motive for victim selection has to include race (as this one did) but you seem to assert that it must be the primary (or only?) motive in selecting the victim. Simply adding robbery to the crime should not somehow override the racial (or other) "hate" factor in selecting the victim.
    I don't see any evidence that the victim was selected for his race. Am I correct in inferring that you believe that the use of racial slurs indicates that the victim was selected for his race?
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet


    The first article says "possible hate crime", and the missing evidence (presumably being investigated) is membership in a hate group or possession of hate propaganda.

    The second article mentions: "Prosecutors claim the four called it “papi slumping,”. I imagine this is a term used specifically for Hispanics and demonstrates their intention to target someone of a specific race just because they are a "papi". If propaganda can be found demonstrating this "papi slumping", then they are likely to be found guilty.


    I think you could have noticed the "possible" in the first one and the implications of "papi slumping" in the second one. The third article notes that it is an on-going investigation. None of the articles are convictions.


    What I have told you is true. I will not continue to explain individual articles.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    All three of those links describe crimes which were charged as hate crimes so of course they report the race of the victims and the perps. The media reports the race for all hate crimes whether it is black on white or white on black.

    However, the complaint seems to be that the media does not report the race of any (or most) crimes when it's black on white, but does so (at least more often) when it's white on black. Your links have nothing to do with this complaint.
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't see any evidence that the victim was selected for his race. Am I correct in inferring that you believe that the use of racial slurs indicates that the victim was selected for his race?
    Yes. If a group of whites beat and rob a black victim while using racial slurs one can rightly infer that they indeed "hate" blacks and chose a black victim for more than merely getting their wallet, watch or cellphone. Why is the inclusion of other crimes, in this case robbery, of a beaten victim then make that not a "hate crime"?
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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Two things about this strike me. First off if it was a group of white kids saying knock that nigger out" it would be wall to wall coverage on network news. Second thing is even in this local report the word "hate crime" never comes up. Go figure.

    CLEVELAND, Ohio (CBS Cleveland) - Cleveland authorities have made several arrests following the mob beating of a disabled Army veteran by a group of teenagers.
    Last Friday, the victim, Matthew Robinson, was surrounded by between six and eight teenagers while riding the RTA Healthline. Robinson told WOIO that he was attacked by the teens, then robbed of his possessions.
    During the attack, the teens made several derogatory remarks about Robinson.
    “What they were saying was, ‘Knock that boy out!’ ‘White boy.’ ‘Cracker,’” he was quoted as saying about the incident. “They were saying, ‘Knock that white boy out.’”


    ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet « CBS Cleveland
    That is terrible story.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    All three of those links describe crimes which were charged as hate crimes so of course they report the race of the victims and the perps. The media reports the race for all hate crimes whether it is black on white or white on black.

    However, the complaint seems to be that the media does not report the race of any (or most) crimes when it's black on white, but does so (at least more often) when it's white on black. Your links have nothing to do with this complaint.

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    Re: ‘Knock That White Boy Out’: Arrests Made After Mob Of Teens Attack Disabled Vet

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes. If a group of whites beat and rob a black victim while using racial slurs one can rightly infer that they indeed "hate" blacks and chose a black victim for more than merely getting their wallet, watch or cellphone. Why is the inclusion of other crimes, in this case robbery, of a beaten victim then make that not a "hate crime"?
    None of the articles you presented is a conviction. The first specifically says "possible hate crime" and the third notes "on-going investigation". Only the second presents direct evidence of hate crime ("papi slumping").

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