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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I've never heard of someone who only engages in oral sex for their entire lifetime.

I believe this statement.

I'm sure there is a great deal about this world you do not know.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

More importantly we have individual rights and States can not violate these rights. So like bans on interracial (federal court case FYI) so well go the bans on gay marriage.



If they are freed guess what that means?

Marriage isn't a civil right and never will be until the state enact a Constitutional Amendment and brainwashed people like you aren't going to like the outcome

Freeing the slaves doesn't mean that slavery was outlawed. the 13th Amendment did that. Were there slaves after the North Freed those in the Confederacy?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Marriage isn't a civil right and never will be until the state enact a Constitutional Amendment and brainwashed people like you aren't going to like the outcome

https://www.afer.org/blog/14-supreme-court-cases-marriage-is-a-fundamental-right/

Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. In these cases, the Court has reaffirmed that “freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage” is “one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause,” “essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men,” and “sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”
Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.
Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”
Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”
Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”
Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”
Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”


Freeing the slaves doesn't mean that slavery was outlawed. the 13th Amendment did that. Were there slaves after the North Freed those in the Confederacy?
Off topic
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

https://www.afer.org/blog/14-supreme-court-cases-marriage-is-a-fundamental-right/

Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. In these cases, the Court has reaffirmed that “freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage” is “one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause,” “essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men,” and “sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”
Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.
Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”
Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”
Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”
Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”
Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”



Off topic


Every American has the same right to marry any member of the opposite sex that will have them. That is reality

You are off topic, you raised the issue about slavery and made a false claim that you will not retract. That makes everything you post suspect
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

wrong again. some few humans do that, it is outside of the statistical norm and therefore, just like homosexuality, being left-handed, having red hair, etc, etc, etc, "abnormal"

you people seem to be making a false assumption that abnormal = bad/wrong

A dude with an IQ of 250 is abnormal, doesn't mean that is a bad thing.....

So 100% is outside of statistical norm? 100% of cannibals eat other humans. You are trying to equate our culture to some other totally different culture and judging it - apples & oranges. What solletica was saying is correct.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Every American has the same right to marry any member of the opposite sex that will have them. That is reality

Yawn and use to be every American had the same right to marry within their race

You are off topic, you raised the issue about slavery and made a false claim that you will not retract. That makes everything you post suspect

It made slavery illegal in those States and trampled over State's rights justifiably so. But you being such a State's rights guy would have probably pitched a fit.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Yawn and use to be every American had the same right to marry within their race



It made slavery illegal in those States and trampled over State's rights justifiably so. But you being such a State's rights guy would have probably pitched a fit.

Don't get it do you, race is protected in the Constitution. You want gay's to marry then change the Constitution. You aren't going to like how the states vote including your own

By the way weren't their slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation? How could that be if slavery was outlawed?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

How do you know this? .

Did you know that Clay Aiken was gay before he came out? You really have to ask? Considering you are actually of the opinion that homosexuality is a disease, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

What about people that post ad nausieum about male anal sex?

They are probably engaged in debate beyond that one/few post on the subject and that/those post(s) is/are related to the overall discussion. Since this thread is about homosexuality, not heterosexuality, hetero is just not covered in depth.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Don't get it do you, race is protected in the Constitution. You want gay's to marry then change the Constitution. You aren't going to like how the states vote including your own

Whatever court cases seem to be going against you.

By the way weren't their slaves after the Emancipation Proclamation? How could that be if slavery was outlawed?

Oh dear god I just explained that sheesh
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Ah. So you are one of many who has no education or understanding of suicidality and mental illness. Thank you for exposing this ignorance so clearly.

It is not ignorance. Weak people kill themselves. The topic is gay people killing themselves because they are afraid to come out or are being bullied. That is not a mental illness, that is weakness.

Why would anybody care what anybody else says about them? Weakness.

If you identify with weakness, that is yor thing.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Whatever court cases seem to be going against you.



Oh dear god I just explained that sheesh

As posted you have a long way to go.

You didn't answer the question, were there slaves AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

As posted you have a long way to go.

You didn't answer the question, were there slaves AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation?

That wasn't my point and you know it.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

That wasn't my point and you know it.

You never have a point, you just do this for attention and want to be a contrarian.

I gave you the post where you claimed the Emancipation Proclamation outlawed slavery and that simply isn't true.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

You never have a point, you just do this for attention and want to be a contrarian.

I gave you the post where you claimed the Emancipation Proclamation outlawed slavery and that simply isn't true.

It did out law slavery in those states.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

There is a simple test to determine if a form of emotional/instinctual behavior (i. e. sex) is normal--if other animals do it, it's normal; if they don't, it's abnormal.

Well we all know other animals do it. But it still doesn't matter. It's not a sound basis for judgment of the individual or for discriminatory practices.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

It did out law slavery in those states.

It freed the slaves but since there were still slaves it didn't outlaw slavery, the 13th Amendment did that. Why is it so hard for you to admit you were wrong on what outlawed slavery?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

It freed the slaves but since there were still slaves it didn't outlaw slavery, the 13th Amendment did that. Why is it so hard for you to admit you were wrong on what outlawed slavery?

Hello one more time. It made it illegal in THOSE STATES. It was the first time slavery was illegal IN THOSE STATES. It was done by EXECUTIVE ORDER going over THOSE STATES LAWS.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Hello one more time. It made it illegal in THOSE STATES. It was the first time slavery was illegal IN THOSE STATES. It was done by EXECUTIVE ORDER going over THOSE STATES LAWS.

LOL, how about the UNITED STATES? It freed the slaves that isn't outlawing slavery. It was part of the war powers act given the President. Who gave Obama the right to change the ACA or any other Congressional Law by executive order? You simply cannot admit that you are wrong on any issue and therein lies the problem with liberals
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

LOL, how about the UNITED STATES? It freed the slaves that isn't outlawing slavery. It was part of the war powers act given the President. Who gave Obama the right to change the ACA or any other Congressional Law by executive order? You simply cannot admit that you are wrong on any issue and therein lies the problem with liberals

But I wasn't wrong
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

But I wasn't wrong

Well then therein lies another problem with liberals like you, you simply cannot admit you are wrong. Executive order did not outlaw slavery it freed selective slaves. The 13th Amendment outlawed slavery
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

How exactly would you know that. How do you know her motivation? That's a pretty self-righteous claim to say that you know someones motives better than they do. Do you recall that she explained, in great detail, why she was making her statement. Yet....you know better. Forget the fact that it makes no sense. What is she doing, trying to horde all those great lesbian roles Hollywood consistently offers?

Asked and answered already. It's part and parcel of what she does, how she lives. And ANY publicity is good publicity in her field, no publicity isthe end of her career. Not the same stigma with lesbians as there is with male homosexuality, especially when they're not ugly.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Well then therein lies another problem with liberals like you, you simply cannot admit you are wrong. Executive order did not outlaw slavery it freed selective slaves. The 13th Amendment outlawed slavery

Sorry IMO if they are free that efeectively outlaws it.
 
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