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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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OscarB63 said:
knee jerk defensive. I never said it was wrong. and yes, having a non-dominant trait does make something not "normal". being not an average or a majority trait makes it outside the norm and thus....wait for it....not normal.
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How far outside the average? For example, only about 1 in 5 people in the world are caucasion. Are they abnormal?
 
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OscarB63 said:
knee jerk defensive. I never said it was wrong. and yes, having a non-dominant trait does make something not "normal". being not an average or a majority trait makes it outside the norm and thus....wait for it....not normal.
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My point is that which is natural is indeed normal whether it is a dominant trait or not.
 
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Redress said:
How far outside the average? For example, only about 1 in 5 people in the world are caucasion. Are they abnormal?
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The norm is to be Asian, so statistically speaking, yes but to a lesser degree.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
My point is that which is natural is indeed normal whether it is a dominant trait or not.
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my point is, arguing "natural" and "normal" has nothing to do with whether or not something is socially acceptable and is therefore a stupid line of reasoning. There are lots of "natural" and therefore "normal" things that are not socially acceptable. Just as there are lots of "unnatural" things that are socially acceptable.
 
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Conservative said:
Not by state and that is what matters. Gallup is a national poll and the loons in California, New York, and other leftwing states with population are skewing the poll. The only poll that matters is the state poll
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Why do pplls even matter? IIRC approx 70% were against inter racial marriage.
 
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X Factor said:
Interesting, so gay men do not need to even be gay, they could just find a sufficiently masculine woman and it would be the same?
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That woman would have to all the required attributes to pique that man's feminine (and/or masculine) mode of attraction.

Otherwise, there's no attraction (i. e. he likes the way she looks, but is repulsed by her breasts).
 
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opendebate said:
It is a pointless argument because the logic is flawed. Unless those who make this accusation treat every human behavior that they consider "not normal" the same then they have no basis for applying it here. Think of how many things human beings do that are not "normal" that don't suffer the same judgment or condemnation. Not to mention the behaviors that have been judged this way that have benefited society as a whole. I think it is healthier to embrace the distinction.
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There is a simple test to determine if a form of emotional/instinctual behavior (i. e. sex) is normal--if other animals do it, it's normal; if they don't, it's abnormal.
 
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OscarB63 said:
The norm is to be Asian, so statistically speaking, yes but to a lesser degree.
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Why do you consider Asians to be normal? Only about 1 in 3 people if I remember right are Asian.
 
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solletica said:
There is a simple test to determine if a form of emotional/instinctual behavior (i. e. sex) is normal--if other animals do it, it's normal; if they don't, it's abnormal.
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ah, then it is normal for humans to eat other human's ****, for males to kill the children of other males, to reproduce with your mother, sister, aunt, cousin, etc, to kill and eat other humans, etc, etc, etc......
 
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Redress said:
Why do you consider Asians to be normal? Only about 1 in 3 people if I remember right are Asian.
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East Asian 24% (Korea, Mongolia ,China, Japan)
South Asian 21% (India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal)
Southeast Asian 9% (Cambodia, Bruma, Philippines, Malayasia)
Black 15%
White 15%
Hispanic 8%
Middle Eastern 8%
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statistically, Asian is the norm. although the variation is not nearly as marked as that between hetero and homo. so you could argue that since the % are actually pretty evenly divided, there is no "norm" when it comes to race
 
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OscarB63 said:
54% (ie the majority) of the world's population is Asian. Statistically, Asian is the "norm"
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Source I found said 2.2 billion. Are you including Indian and middle eastern?
 
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Redress said:
Source I found said 2.2 billion. Are you including Indian and middle eastern?
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true, see my edit
 
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OscarB63 said:
my point is, arguing "natural" and "normal" has nothing to do with whether or not something is socially acceptable and is therefore a stupid line of reasoning. There are lots of "natural" and therefore "normal" things that are not socially acceptable. Just as there are lots of "unnatural" things that are socially acceptable.
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While that is true it does not make it right. If the state can show a compelling interest or harm done to others then that is legal justification for a law. It may have been "socially acceptable" to limit the number of and gender of marriage partners, yet not business partners, but the state lacks, IMHO, a reason for this decision. If you can provide such a reason then please inform us of it.

You seem willing to accept basically anything that a majority of voter's representatives agree on as a "socially acceptable" law, such as magazine capacity limits, even if that has no other basis and seems counter to the 2A. Simply because a majority (actually a plurality) don't like alcohol, tobacco or marijuana possession, sales or consumption does not mean that they may force all others to accept their view of what is "socially acceptable".
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
While that is true it does not make it right. If the state can show a compelling interest or harm done to others then that is legal justification for a law. It may have been "socially acceptable" to limit the number of and gender of marriage partners, yet not business partners, but the state lacks, IMHO, a reason for this decision. If you can provide such a reason then please inform us of it.

You seem willing to accept basically anything that a majority of voter's representatives agree on as a "socially acceptable" law, such as magazine capacity limits, even if that has no other basis and seems counter to the 2A. Simply because a majority (actually a plurality) don't like alcohol, tobacco or marijuana possession, sales or consumption does not mean that they may force all others to accept their view of what is "socially acceptable".
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I never said any of that. I have nothing against homosexuality, I just stated a simple fact. statistically, homosexuality is not "normal".
 
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OscarB63 said:
ah, then it is normal for humans to eat other human's ****, for males to kill the children of other males, to reproduce with your mother, sister, aunt, cousin, etc, to kill and eat other humans, etc, etc, etc......
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Humans do all of that. There's nothing abnormal about it. Of course, rules of conduct are a separate issue, and animals certainly have those as well.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, the sampling was not an issue at all. It was done so BECAUSE of what the study was aimed towards. The people to be studied had to be people of each sexual orientation who were NOT involved in any kind of psychiatric treatment. Prior studies that "proved" that homosexuality was a mental illness, ONLY studied people who WERE in psychiatric treatment, a major confound as the members in the sample were KNOWN to have a mental illness. That's what distinguished Hooker's study: her sample. It could not be random in order to get accurate results.
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She also excluded criminals. Basically, she took her sampling from not only those doing group counseling, but from the same group counseling group. All of her test group had already received a form of psychological counseling concerning homosexual behaviors, the subject she was studying. She sanitized her group. She could not of picked a better group to prove her theory. That is not how it is supposed to work.

This would be the equivalent of picking only those who self-identified, with no criminal or mental health history from Alcoholics Anonymous and study their behavior after being in AA to determine "normal" behavior of alcoholics.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
You can't diagnose someone as a sociopath who does not exhibit the symptoms of a sociopath. This is Psychology 101.



Not all homosexuals practice anal sex. Since homosexuality is not defined by anal sex, your argument fails.
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Welcome to this line of argument.

Since he has not adequately answered the question initially posed, then perhaps you can. Why, among person's displaying sexual preference for other than sexually mature members of the opposite sex, is homosexuality the only case where those persons are not identified as displaying abnormal or aberrant behavior?
 
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winston53660 said:
Why do pplls even matter? IIRC approx 70% were against inter racial marriage.
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We are a nation of laws and a nation of 50 states. Marriage is a state issue not a Federal one but if you want to make it federal you will be going through the states and aren't going to like the outcome.

How you coming on admitting that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't outlaw slavery but just freed the slaves?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Not all homosexuals practice anal sex. Since homosexuality is not defined by anal sex, your argument fails.
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Correct, not all homosexuals do, but all male homosexuals do and if homosexuality is aberrant in males, then it should also be aberrant in females of the same species.
 
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DVSentinel said:
Correct, not all homosexuals do, but all male homosexuals do and if homosexuality is aberrant in males, then it should also be aberrant in females of the same species.
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What an absolutely stupid, stupid statement.

Not only do not all homosexual males indulge in anal sex, but a significant percentage of heterosexuals do engage in it as well.
 
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Conservative said:
We are a nation of laws and a nation of 50 states. Marriage is a state issue not a Federal one but if you want to make it federal you will be going through the states and aren't going to like the outcome.
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More importantly we have individual rights and States can not violate these rights. So like bans on interracial (federal court case FYI) so well go the bans on gay marriage.

How you coming on admitting that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't outlaw slavery but just freed the slaves?
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If they are freed guess what that means?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
You can't diagnose someone as a sociopath who does not exhibit the symptoms of a sociopath. This is Psychology 101.
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So mental disorders do not exist unless they are diagnosed? There are not happy, law abiding sociopaths in society that have not been diagnosed?
 
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solletica said:
Humans do all of that. There's nothing abnormal about it. Of course, rules of conduct are a separate issue, and animals certainly have those as well.
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wrong again. some few humans do that, it is outside of the statistical norm and therefore, just like homosexuality, being left-handed, having red hair, etc, etc, etc, "abnormal"

you people seem to be making a false assumption that abnormal = bad/wrong

A dude with an IQ of 250 is abnormal, doesn't mean that is a bad thing.....
 
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Gardener said:
What an absolutely stupid, stupid statement.

Not only do not all homosexual males indulge in anal sex, but a significant percentage of heterosexuals do engage in it as well.
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If they do not, then are they actually homosexuals? Or do they suffer from severe oral fixation which interferes with their ability to sexually function in any other capacity? I've never heard of someone who only engages in oral sex for their entire lifetime.

Heterosexuals were referenced in previous post along that line.
 
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DVSentinel said:
If they do not, then are they actually homosexuals? Or do they suffer from severe oral fixation which interferes with their ability to sexually function in any other capacity? I've never heard of someone who only engages in oral sex for their entire lifetime.

Heterosexuals were referenced in previous post along that line.
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What about people that post ad nausieum about male anal sex?
 
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