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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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CriticalThought said:
Homosexuality is normal in the sense that it has occurred throughout all human history, in virtually every culture, and the people who identify as gay can be healthy, functional, and happy individuals.

Any other standard of normal is petty semantics.
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wrongo and a stupid pointless line of argument.

by the standard definition, homosexuality is not normal. only a very small % of the population is homosexual, therefore homosexuality is definitely outside of the "norm" and is therefore not normal.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

CriticalThought said:
Homosexuality is normal in the sense that it has occurred throughout all human history, in virtually every culture, and the people who identify as gay can be healthy, functional, and happy individuals.

Any other standard of normal is petty semantics.
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So have all sorts of deformities. The folks so afflicted can also live as healthy, functional, and happy individuals. You have to play semantics to call it a normal behavior.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

OscarB63 said:
wrongo and a stupid pointless line of argument.

by the standard definition, homosexuality is not normal. only a very small % of the population is homosexual, therefore homosexuality is definitely outside of the "norm" and is therefore not normal.
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Mathematically that is true. But only a small percentage of the population is a genius. Nothing wrong with being a genius. The percentage argument is kind of senseless and irrelevant.

As I said. Petty semantics.
 
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winston53660 said:
And I'm not going to waste time teaching a pig to sing.
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Ah, the seven stages of grief. Let us know when you get to anger and bargaining.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

CriticalThought said:
Mathematically that is true. But only a small percentage of the population is a genius. Nothing wrong with being a genius. The percentage argument is kind of senseless and irrelevant.

As I said. Petty semantics.
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I posted this earlier but I have to ask in all sincerity. Why argue the point of whether or not it is normal? How is it relevant? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
 
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opendebate said:
So why do you have a problem with sexual behavior that you consider not normal. And what is not normal. Are we limited to the missionary position with only the opposite sex. Sounds pretty dull.
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I don't have a problem with it, just said it wasn't natural and normal as others are trying to falsely assert. And btw, the missionary position probably isn't the gold standard for either natural or normal.
 
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clownboy said:
So have all sorts of deformities. The folks so afflicted can also live as healthy, functional, and happy individuals. You have to play semantics to call it a normal behavior.
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Nah. It is common and universal. But if it makes you feel better about yourself to call it abnormal then feel free. I won't trample on your attempts to assert superiority. And what do you have against people with deformities? You just do not seem to like anyone who is not exactly like you.
 
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clownboy said:
I don't have a problem with it, just said it wasn't natural and normal as others are trying to falsely assert. And btw, the missionary position probably isn't the gold standard for either natural or normal.
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I just don't think that whether or not it is normal is even relevant.
 
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opendebate said:
I posted this earlier but I have to ask in all sincerity. Why argue the point of whether or not it is normal? How is it relevant? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
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When all other arguments are used up you argue about language. It is evidence of the absurdity that those who oppose gay rights have been reduced to when all they have left is to quibble over is words that have multiple meanings.
 
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CriticalThought said:
When all other arguments are used up you argue about language. It is evidence of the absurdity that those who oppose gay rights have been reduced to when all they have left is to quibble over is words that have multiple meanings.
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My perspective on it was exactly that. A desperate attempt by people who are unable to tolerate it to make it "weird". Thanks
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

CriticalThought said:
Nah. It is common and universal. But if it makes you feel better about yourself to call it abnormal then feel free. I won't trample on your attempts to assert superiority. And what do you have against people with deformities? You just do not seem to like anyone who is not exactly like you.
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Wow, I see you moved right on to anger and bargaining. Now, let us know when you reach acceptance.
 
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opendebate said:
I just don't think that whether or not it is normal is even relevant.
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Which is a fine position to take. However, the gay shippers here go ape**** when told the behavior isn't normal.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

CriticalThought said:
When all other arguments are used up you argue about language. It is evidence of the absurdity that those who oppose gay rights have been reduced to when all they have left is to quibble over is words that have multiple meanings.
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Or they assign atributes to you like grief that are not even close
 
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clownboy said:
Which is a fine position to take. However, the gay shippers here go ape**** when told the behavior isn't normal.
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Posting on political message boards ain't normal.
 
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clownboy said:
Which is a fine position to take. However, the gay shippers here go ape**** when told the behavior isn't normal.
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So they do it just to get under people's skin? It's amusing? That's not normal.
 
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clownboy said:
Which is a fine position to take. However, the gay shippers here go ape**** when told the behavior isn't normal.
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Maybe that is because the anti SSM crowd attempts to use that in defense of their argument.
 
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winston53660 said:
Maybe that is because the anti SSM crowd attempts to use that in defense of their argument.
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It's illogical as an argument in opposition to SSM. It's only intended to offend the individual or express their own distaste, not support the position. If we ever considered this a valid argument for any kind of judgment we would all be in trouble.
 
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winston53660 said:
Maybe that is because the anti SSM crowd attempts to use that in defense of their argument.
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Okay, so the proper response to that would be to do as OD did and take the position that the normality of the behavior is irrelevent to the discussion. NOT to attempt to justify the behavior as "normal".
 
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clownboy said:
I disagree, sounds normal to me.
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What does that tell us about you? I think your behavior in not normal and you should be restricted from practicing it.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

clownboy said:
Okay, so the proper response to that would be to do as OD did and take the position that the normality of the behavior is irrelevent to the discussion. NOT to attempt to justify the behavior as "normal".
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But it is normal. What would be abnormal if there were no homosexuals having homosexual sex.
 
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opendebate said:
What does that tell us about you? I think your behavior in not normal and you should be restricted from practicing it.
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Yeah, well wishes in one hand and dog**** in the other and what do you have? :mrgreen:

But nice stray into strawman territory.
 
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