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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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    You have way too much passion for this insignificant issue. there are many more pressing but if you want to make a big deal out of it, then support a Constitutional Amendment and let the chips fall where they may.
    Funny you would accuse AgentJ as having too much passion for "this insignificant issue". You're the most prolific poster in the thread, doubling his number of posts.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted but misguided. The national vote doesn't ratify Constitutional Amendments nor elect Congressional Representatives.
    No, the national poll shows trends in the population. We have seen the trends, fairly universally, that SSM is becoming more and more accepted. This will filter to both any Congressional Amendment and to Congressional Representatives.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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    Again, your opinion noted and misguided. So you don't have the right to marry any member of the opposite sex that will have you just like me? There are a number of reasons I got married and was married for over 40 years. Malcontents like you simply want attention and aren't going to like the outcome of the Constitutional Amendment defining marriage.
    Your position is misguided and nonsensical. And of course you refused to answer my question as you know it sinks your argument. Reactionaries like you are simply showing sour grapes and are not going to like the outcome of any Congressional Amendment defining marriage.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    National polls are irrelevant in ratifying a Constitutional Amendment but may make you feel good.
    National polls show trends in the opinions of the American people. This particular one must make you sad.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just like a liberal, go to the courts when you cannot sell your personal opinion to the majority. Polls are personal opinions at the time based upon how the question is asked and many will say what they believe the pollster wants to hear. The real vote is and always has been quite different. Thought someone of your superior intelligence would have known that? the recent North Carolina vote should tell you that.
    Just like a conservative. Support a law that is unconstitutional and then whine when the courts strike it down. And just like a conservative to dismiss polls that tell them what they don't want to hear... even though pretty much EVERY poll says the same thing. Of course someone of your intelligence would have followed the decisions of DADT and DOMA and would have seen how things are trending. Or, perhaps not.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This country was created based upon a Constitution that provides provisions for ratification of a amendments. National popular polls were never the tool to ratify our Constitution. Why is it you continue to ignore the votes of the people and instead always point to polls? The People of California overwhelming rejected same sex marriage until overturned by the courts. The people of North Carolina told the pollsters one thing and voted the opposite. You just don't get it but will when the Constitutional Amendment is ratififed
    See, this is just you creating a straw man argument. No one is claiming that a national poll will ratify the Constitution. But what Gardener said was correct. You seem to not understand some of the basic tenets of the Constitution, such as the concept of the tyranny of the majority. You might want to familiarize yourself with this concept. Read Federalist 10, John Adams' Defense of the Constitution, and John Stuart Mill's On Liberty for more information.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Suggest you explain that to the Founders and creators of the Constitution. How is a Constitutional Amendment ratified? At 67 years of age I assure you that I have a better grasp of history and civics than you will ever have.
    I've seen you discuss civics and history. I assure you that Gardener and most around here have a far better grasp of both concepts than you could ever have. Your penchant for creating straw man arguments, as you've done here is also something you do quite often. Point is, no one is saying that national polls have anything to do with ratifying an Amendment. YOU are creating this argument. No one else is.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You defend an obviously biased and rigged study.
    You attack an obviously sound and methodologically credible study. You have been completely unable to make a dent in the study's validity.

    Further, the study you promote concludes

    "The role of particular forms of sexual desire and expression in personality structure and development may be less important than has frequently been assumed. Even if one assumes that homosexuality represents a severe form of maladjustment to society in the sexual sector of behavior, this does not necessarily mean that the homosexual must be severely maladjusted in other sectors of his behavior. Or, if one assumes that homosexuality is a form of severe maladjustment interna11y, it may be that the disturbance is limited to the sexual sector alone."
    If, if, if. You really need to read what you post more carefully. What the paragraph above says is that regardless of what you BELIEVE about homosexuality, there is nothing that shows that homosexuality causes any maladjustment in any OTHER behaviors... exactly what the study found.

    Yes, I do understand the difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. Had you used one of the studies that use animal behavior as a basis to prove the normality of homosexuality, that would of been the basis of my arguments against such studies.
    Your posts demonstrate that you do not understand that difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. All of your associations between sexual orientation and sexual behavior have been debunked, and quite completely I must add, either through factual data or logic. So, either you don't understand the difference because of a lack of education on the issue, or through willful ignorance because the information debunks your belief system... which of course it does.

    As to mental health "professionals", thank you for providing evidence that you do not in anyway understand real science.
    Of course I do. YOUR posts in the thread have shown that you don't understand how research works, not even in the most basic way. You've been beaten from pillar to post. Your comment above is nothing more than sour grapes at being beaten so badly.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The group selected was selected to give the results achieved. It was rigged.
    The group selected was done so in order to prevent bias in the study. This has been explained to you over and over.

    Her homosexual control group were already undergoing treatment for homosexual tendencies, given, unprofessional treatment but treatment none the less. That group should of been disqualified when she disqualified those in mental institutions. Therefore, she could not collect base data from such a group. She would need untreated homosexuals to establish base line data and to make conclusions. Basically, she proved that that particular groups treatment was successful, if anything.
    No, this is a complete fabrication. The homosexual group was not undergoing any treatment whatsoever. In fact, this was a requirement for being part of her study. A member could not be in therapy, could not have received previous psychological treatment, could not have bee in prison, and could not have shown any significant disturbance. Your information is a compete falsehood.

    No where in science will altered specimens be considered for base line data. Her "specimens" had already been potentially altered, corrupting the study and hence corrupting any results from it.
    Nope. This is untrue.

    Had a different group been used, I would gladly and easily accept the conclusions. But whether a study if for my point of view or against it, it must meet standards to ensure there was no bias or corruption of the study. Her study used a corrupted control group and was administered by a biased researcher and appears to have been set up to give exactly the results that it did. Under such conditions, the conclusion cannot be accepted as uncorrupted or accurate.
    Since what you claim did not occur, your objections are irrelevant.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is one solution to the issue, a Constitutional Amendment defining Marriage, what are you afraid of?
    Not necessary. That's the neat thing about the Constitution. Pretty much everything ever needed for past. present, and future issues is right there. That's why the need for Amendments over the past 220+ years has been rare. The one afraid here is you. You know that it is easy to use equal protection laws to validate SSM. Oh, and your claim that it's not in the Constitution is idiotic. The Founders were quite aware that not everything in order to govern the country for perpetuity would be in the Constitution, and Amendments would only be necessary when something would be completely new. Heck Hamilton said something like this. Marriage isn't new. We can look towards equal protection laws and contract laws to use to support SSM. Why are you afraid to use the Constitution to deal with this issue?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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