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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So mental disorders do not exist unless they are diagnosed? There are not happy, law abiding sociopaths in society that have not been diagnosed?
    A happy, law abiding sociopath would not be a sociopath. I'll say it again... if you don't have the symptoms of sociopathy, you're not a sociopath.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Every American has the same right to marry any member of the opposite sex that will have them. That is reality
    Reality is this is a failed argument. Why do people get married? When you can honestly answer that and then see if there is equity between straight and gay couples, you'll understand why your line of reasoning fails.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It is not ignorance. Weak people kill themselves. The topic is gay people killing themselves because they are afraid to come out or are being bullied. That is not a mental illness, that is weakness.
    No, it's ignorance on the topic. You don't understand mental health or sucidality. It has nothing to do with weakness.

    Why would anybody care what anybody else says about them? Weakness.
    This FURTHERS the evidence that you are uneducated on basic psychology and issues around suicide and why it occurs. Your position is overly simplistic and shows a general ignorance of the issue. I suggest you read up on it and get back to us when you understand it better.

    If you identify with weakness, that is yor thing.
    Since weakness is not the issue here, your comment is irrelevant.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Where did you get that idea?
    Poll numbers: >50% have supported it since around 2011.

    Half of Americans Support Legal Gay Marriage
    Gay marriage support hits new high in Post-ABC poll
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Polls are one thing and voting is another.
    Backtrack.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So to counter a bias of one kind, she introduces a study biased opposite. Why not a study that is unbiased either direction.
    You STILL don't get the point of the study. There is no bias. The selectivity of the sample was necessary to eliminate bias.

    She quotes another document, "It is well known that many people, including physicians, react in an exaggerated way to sexual deviations and particularly to homosexuality with disgust, anger, and hostility. Such feelings often arise from the individual's own conflict centering about his unconscious homosexual impulses. These attitudes may interfere with an intelligent and objective handling of the problem." Thus establishing her own bias against such attitudes. If her goal was to be unbiased, that whole section would be unnecessary and should not of been included.

    So we have a study with sanitized control groups and a biased researcher. If the study was on any other subject, what would your opinion of such a study be?
    Since the control groups were appropriate for the study and the bias of the researcher... if there was any, is not evidenced in the results, I have no issue with the study at all. The study is methodologically sound. All of your objections are irrelevant as the sampling process is key to prevent bias in the results.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just like a liberal, run to the courts when you don't get your way. Bring on the Constitutional Amendment and you aren't going to like the outcome
    Just like a conservative. Ignore the courts when it doesn't go your way. Bring on the Constitutional Amendment... you aren't going to like the outcome. Over the past 5-10 years, support for SSM has changed in several states. This trend will continue.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, but of course there is an unspoken codecil to CC's claim - *if our system worked that way. The simple fact is, in most states, a majority of voters are against homosexual marriage.
    See. this is a straw man. I never made any claim around voting or states. I stated quite clearly that the majority of the population supports SSM. This is an accurate statement.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And everyone in existence has been diagnosed and none lead happy lives? Ok, got you.
    No one ever said this. It is an absurd statement.

    No. You said:



    I gave you an example of a behavior common to male homosexuals that causes "distress and dysfunction". You are just trying to deflect from the fact that it does in fact cause "distress and dysfunction".

    So, in accordance with your own statement, "For something to be considered a mental illness it needs to cause distress and dysfunction" and the fact that anal sex, which is a common behavior of male homosexuals, does cause distress and dysfunction, which is proven by the fact that medically is known to cause injury and dysfunction, then you are, in fact, saying that homosexuality is a mental illness. When your statements, that have been quoted here, are taken together, that is the meaning they express.
    You continue to not understand the difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. We know that not all male homosexuals practice anal sex. That's one way your argument is sunk. We also know that not every instance of anal sex causes any distress or dysfunction. That's way number two your argument fails. And way number three... and this is key and shows that you don't understand how mental health diagnoses work, the distress has to be psychological. This is the cornerstone of why Hooker's study proved that homosexuality is not a mental disorder; homosexuality in and of itself causes no distress or dysfunction. And, like CT, I also am a mental health professional, using the DSM daily. You are WAY out of your league on this issue.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Reality is this is a failed argument. Why do people get married? When you can honestly answer that and then see if there is equity between straight and gay couples, you'll understand why your line of reasoning fails.
    Given the skyrocketing divorce rate I would say that whatever people are getting married for these days is probably not the greatest of reasons.
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