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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Every state but Hawaii has called for an Article V convention in the last 100 years. The threshold for number of states applying has been nearly reached several times. Congress steps in and does it's job at that point.
    According to Conservative's own link, support for this has been steadily eroding. It's something that might have happened ten years ago, but that boat has sailed.


    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's a failure on our part, as the People, to maintain our Constitution rather than allow the courts to do it extra-constitutionally.




    Not their mess to "clean up". That's part of the problem here.
    The notion that courts are somehow an illegitimate part of the process is entirely imagined.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    According to Conservative's own link, support for this has been steadily eroding.
    And yet, whenever there's a vote, the actual vote totals show a different story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The notion that courts are somehow an illegitimate part of the process is entirely imagined.
    The amendment process? They ARE an illegitimate part of that process. Amending the constitution by judicial fiat, that IS an illegitimate part of the process.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And yet, whenever there's a vote, the actual vote totals show a different story.
    This statement only holds water under two assumptions (both false):
    1)that it's true. It's not. I've already listed the states that have voted to recognize ssm.
    2)that support for ssm is static. It's not. It's on the rise in every state. All of them, not just the blue ones.



    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The amendment process? They ARE an illegitimate part of that process. Amending the constitution by judicial fiat, that IS an illegitimate part of the process.
    Demonstrably untrue, and fruitless to argue.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This statement only holds water under two assumptions (both false):
    1)that it's true. It's not. I've already listed the states that have voted to recognize ssm.
    2)that support for ssm is static. It's not. It's on the rise in every state. All of them, not just the blue ones.
    Those states were already supporters of gay marriage and in fact so-called blue states have attempted to vote against homosexual marriage only to have the courts negate the will of the People. As to that last, I don't think you can show that with any reliability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Demonstrably untrue, and fruitless to argue.
    What? Where in the Constitution does it grant the court ANY power in the amendment process? But it's interesting to see you try to defend the court amending the constitution by decision.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    See the post above yours.
    I am sorry but I thought I was dealing with someone who understood how the Constitution was ratified. It is ratified by the states

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am sorry but I thought I was dealing with someone who understood how the Constitution was ratified. It is ratified by the states
    Three quarters of them, as Winton already pointed out, which is 38. In your own link your results show 35 states with ssm support below 50%, 8 of which is in the 46-49% range, which translates into "Can't be be bothered to care enough to actually go through with this." And since opinions on ssm are shifting towards greater acceptance constantly, your site which dates back to April is already certainly obsolete.

    No matter how you interpret the results, you just don't have the numbers.

    But tell you what, if I'm wrong (and I'm not), I'll provide the margaritas.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Three quarters of them, as Winton already pointed out, which is 38. In your own link your results show 35 states with ssm support below 50%, 8 of which is in the 46-49% range, which translates into "Can't be be bothered to care enough to actually go through with this." And since opinions on ssm are shifting towards greater acceptance constantly, your site which dates back to April is already certainly obsolete.

    No matter how you interpret the results, you just don't have the numbers.

    But tell you what, if I'm wrong (and I'm not), I'll provide the margaritas.
    So let's see, 35 PLUS 8 equal 43%. Don't poke the bear, leave marriage alone or you aren't going to like the outcome

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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    So let's see, 35 PLUS 8 equal 43%. Don't poke the bear, leave marriage alone or you aren't going to like the outcome
    Whuh? I said 35 minus 8. And even if you don't accept my interpretation of those 8 states, you still only have 35, which is 3 shy of the result you're hoping for.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So let's see, 35 PLUS 8 equal 43%.
    That doesn't make sense. Can you clarify/

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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    But, it has nothing to do with weakness. Making that accusation is denigrating those who are mentally ill.
    I'm not so sure. Weakness in the sense that we all have our weaknesses on any number of things concerning ourselves, whether we smoke when we know we really shouldn't, what we eat and how much, the list goes on ad infinitum. Having a weakness or to put it more mildly, a lack of strength with regard to emotions and understanding the world around us, and dealing with these feelings with healthy outlets isn't a mental disorder, IMO. I think that mostly that is a product of conditioning, whether poor parenting plays a role, or poor peer relationships, I'm not entirely sure, but simply being a homosexual is not what I would consider a good enough reason to commit the ultimate life ending action. There has to be much more to it than that, and that's what I was getting at, mostly.

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