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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you checked out the actual state polls which is where this will be decided? suggest you do that before taking victory laps
    A federal judge in Virginia struck down that state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage this week. It's just the latest in a string of similar rulings in conservative states, and it indicates that the strategy for winning marriage equality in federal courts is moving faster than many had expected.

    In her ruling, U.S. District Judge Arenda Wright Allen said Virginia's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional because "core civil rights are at stake." She compared the case to the landmark 1967 Supreme Court ruling recognizing interracial marriage.

    But the judge stayed her order pending appeal, which means same-sex couples in Virginia can't rush to the altar yet.

    Still, Matthew McGill, one of the attorneys in the case, says the ruling is significant.

    "You have district courts across the country, in places that are not seen as remotely liberal, all recognizing that this is what our federal Constitution and its promise of equality requires," McGill says.

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    All debunked quite simply because even IF, and that's a large if, the polls are accurate and taken solely from potential voters, it's not a national vote. So that "majority", or a significant portion of it may be all from a few states.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    All debunked quite simply because even IF, and that's a large if, the polls are accurate and taken solely from potential voters, it's not a national vote. So that "majority", or a significant portion of it may be all from a few states.
    The initial claim (from Captain Courtesy) was that a majority of people were in favor of ssm. The polls support that.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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    Not really relevant because, as I said, the issue will ultimately come down to the courts anyway.
    Then obviously you have no basic civics understanding, a Constitutional Amendment over rules a court

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    Then obviously you have no basic civics understanding, a Constitutional Amendment over rules a court
    You seem certain of that outcome, but the trend is not leaning in that direction.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    A federal judge in Virginia struck down that state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage this week. It's just the latest in a string of similar rulings in conservative states, and it indicates that the strategy for winning marriage equality in federal courts is moving faster than many had expected.

    In her ruling, U.S. District Judge Arenda Wright Allen said Virginia's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional because "core civil rights are at stake." She compared the case to the landmark 1967 Supreme Court ruling recognizing interracial marriage.

    But the judge stayed her order pending appeal, which means same-sex couples in Virginia can't rush to the altar yet.

    Still, Matthew McGill, one of the attorneys in the case, says the ruling is significant.

    "You have district courts across the country, in places that are not seen as remotely liberal, all recognizing that this is what our federal Constitution and its promise of equality requires," McGill says.

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    Just like a liberal, run to the courts when you don't get your way. Bring on the Constitutional Amendment and you aren't going to like the outcome

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The initial claim (from Captain Courtesy) was that a majority of people were in favor of ssm. The polls support that.
    Yeah, but of course there is an unspoken codecil to CC's claim - *if our system worked that way. The simple fact is, in most states, a majority of voters are against homosexual marriage.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You seem certain of that outcome, but the trend is not leaning in that direction.
    I posted the state polling data. Do you understand how a Constitutional Amendment is ratified? Popular vote or by the states?

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just like a liberal, run to the courts when you don't get your way. Bring on the Constitutional Amendment and you aren't going to like the outcome
    Just likwe a conservative make idle threats.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I posted the state polling data. Do you understand how a Constitutional Amendment is ratified? Popular vote or by the states?
    Oh, I see, you were referring to state constitutional amendments and not Federal amendments. Still irrelevant. Nevada and Wisconsin are currently in the process of dealing with repealing their amendments, and of course if higher courts determine that those state amendments are unconstitutional then, well, that's that.

    So far, nothing you or Clownboy has said successfully deals with the direction of change right now. The states and the courts combined are successively heading towards nationwide recognition.

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