• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Actress plays quirky character = actress is "weird." You can't fathom how unbelievably ridiculous that sounds.

I could tell Christian Bale was a homicidal maniac after seeing that movie where he played a homicidal maniac!

Not even my point. Even when people are acting a part they have a certain way they carry themselves that they can not hide. Maybe I'm good at picking up on these things, but I have never seen an actor or actress hide it. Every part that Christian Bale plays in he handles himself in the exact same way. Pay close attention to his body language and you can see it's the same in every last movie.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I hope this gives her peace, and understand the courage it took for her to come out in this manner. Some of the hateful posts in this very thread are a testament to how much courage it does indeed take for individuals to stand up for themselves, and openly declare that they are homosexual. Kudos to them; a finger-flick to those who continue to treat homosexuals like second-class citizens.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

As the saying goes, you've now "removed all doubt". Should have remained silent. But, my bet is you will continue proving my point.

You're not suggesting I'm partisan are you? Everyone knows I'm a staunch Independent that never complains about the worst of the right wing on here.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Body characteristics did not stop Natalie Portman from having big roles. She's very similar
Do you relate all actors character roles to their true character?

Natalie Portman is bigger, has a better body, and has a pretty face. She also is a better actress and has a certain charm about her that will last long after her looks give way. I don't think you can compare Ellen Page to Natalie Portman.

Do you relate all actors character roles to their true character?

From what I have seen she likes picking parts that involve some sort of mental or physical torment. If she was just picking parts like that every once in a while that would be one thing, but it's pretty consistent that she will pick a part that has one or the other.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Is it somehow noteworthy that someone in Hollywood has strolled out of the closet? I think that sort of thing actually enhances your stature nowadays.

It seems to be turning into a cliché. In the 1980s, I have some memory of drug and alcohol issues being the thing. A washed-up actor or actress could get a lot of press, and possibly jump-start a faltering career, by coming out and announcing that he was recovering from a drug problem.

Homosexuality is the big thing these days, but it's wearing awfully thin. It's become so common, that I don't know why anyone considers it news anymore.

What will be next? Celebrities announcing that they cheat on their spouses? That they molest children? That they **** farm animals?


I suppose what will be really shocking will be the day that a celebrity comes out and announces that he is not caught up in various sexual perversions; and is generally living a happy, healthy, relatively-normal life.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

It seems to be turning into a cliché. In the 1980s, I have some memory of drug and alcohol issues being the thing. A washed-up actor or actress could get a lot of press, and possibly jump-start a faltering career, by coming out and announcing that he was recovering from a drug problem.

Homosexuality is the big thing these days, but it's wearing awfully thin. It's become so common, that I don't know why anyone considers it news anymore.

What will be next? Celebrities announcing that they cheat on their spouses? That they molest children? That they **** farm animals?


I suppose what will be really shocking will be the day that a celebrity comes out and announces that he is not caught up in various sexual perversions; and is generally living a happy, healthy, relatively-normal life.

It will always be a big deal and news while there are millions of people like you running around.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

You're probably tired of it in the same way that some are tired of any other oppressed group fighting for equality, which simply means you do not have any understanding of the world THEY live in and what they fight against so the victories they claim baffle and tire you. You lack context or you would celebrate with them, that is....if you have any compassion or empathy.

My, aren't you quick to judge. You know what’s said about “assuming,” yes?

You don’t know anything about me, including whether I myself am straight or gay. But I will say this: I am certain that I do know first-hand more than you will ever know about the world gay folks live in, that I understand the context and that I have experienced for myself the looks and the assumptions of others, and that you’re way, way out of line for insinuating that I lack compassion and/or empathy. You’re absolutely clueless.

:3oops:

The real victory, as far as I’m concerned, is not starlets coming out or anybody else coming out. It’s that most people don’t give two craps in their workplace or neighborhood who’s gay or straight. That’s what matters. If it’s so important for some to make public statements, that’s fine with me…but I have the right to say that I’m pretty bored with it all. Which I am.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

My, aren't you quick to judge. You know what’s said about “assuming,” yes?

You don’t know anything about me, including whether I myself am straight or gay. But I will say this: I am certain that I do know first-hand more than you will ever know about the world gay folks live in, that I understand the context and that I have experienced for myself the looks and the assumptions of others, and that you’re way, way out of line for insinuating that I lack compassion and/or empathy. You’re absolutely clueless.

:3oops:

The real victory, as far as I’m concerned, is not starlets coming out or anybody else coming out. It’s that most people don’t give two craps in their workplace or neighborhood who’s gay or straight. That’s what matters. If it’s so important for some to make public statements, that’s fine with me…but I have the right to say that I’m pretty bored with it all. Which I am.

If that is the bar then I am already there.

I can't think of a time in my life that I didn't have gay friends or gay people in my life in one way or the other. I didn't care what they did in their bedrooms as I was not included inthat part of their life.

I don't see why anybody would care what a Hollywood actress says about who she goes to bed with.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Who cares?
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

You're not suggesting I'm partisan are you? Everyone knows I'm a staunch Independent that never complains about the worst of the right wing on here.

What is it with independents? Aren't we all independents? I can vote for whomever I want, anytime. I think of it as kind of a cop out. You're not above the fray, you just don't know what to stand for.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I suppose what will be really shocking will be the day that a celebrity comes out and announces that he is not caught up in various sexual perversions; and is generally living a happy, healthy, relatively-normal life.

You know what would have been brave? You know what would have been a serious risk to her career? Coming out as a conservative.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

You know what would have been brave? You know what would have been a serious risk to her career? Coming out as a conservative.

:roll:
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Seriously, watch the speech, it will bring tears to your eyes. So happy and proud of her. You can tell she was very nervous and this meant a lot to her.

Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay" - CNN.com

Good for her that she is secure enough in herself to make it public but it does not change the facts how I feel about her as an actress. But it does reflect very positive on her personality, I think it is brave of her to come out for her personal sexual preference.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

What is it with independents? Aren't we all independents? I can vote for whomever I want, anytime. I think of it as kind of a cop out. You're not above the fray, you just don't know what to stand for.

:doh Joking man. I make it pretty obvious what I stand for.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

.........

You don’t know anything about me, including whether I myself am straight or gay. But I will say this: I am certain that I do know first-hand more than you will ever know about the world gay folks live in, that I understand the context and that I have experienced for myself the looks and the assumptions of others, and that you’re way, way out of line for insinuating that I lack compassion and/or empathy.

I could care less if you are gay or not. It does not give you instant credibility. I formed an opinion based on the content of your post and it is not changed by your sexual orientation. Unlike you, I don't think that everyone who identifies as gay thinks the same way or shares one collective identity. Just like some African Americans will label a fellow African American a whiner for speaking out against oppression doesn't make me second guess my stance on oppression within that community. It DOES affect my opinion about the African American rejecting the thoughts, feelings, experiences and needs of others. So take your self righteous pontification and well, just keep it.

The real victory, as far as I’m concerned, is not starlets coming out or anybody else coming out. It’s that most people don’t give two craps in their workplace or neighborhood who’s gay or straight.
If that's your experience then good for you. But demeaning someone who has the need because their experience is different then yours only makes you look judgmental and small.

That’s what matters. If it’s so important for some to make public statements, that’s fine with me…but I have the right to say that I’m pretty bored with it all. Which I am.

and I have the right to tell you what I think of your opinion.

You’re absolutely clueless.
Luckily, I could care less what you think.

If I misunderstood your words that's fine. Clarify and I will gladly retract my words. But given you to stated in a thread where everyone is bashing a young gay woman, who obviously feels the need to unburden herself, that you're tired of it and starlets coming out isn't what it's about I think my interpretation of your words as dismissive and lacking in empathy makes perfect sense. So clarify if you can but otherwise, my opinion of your post stands.

one last thing, if you are gay, you may understand YOUR world but you show no effort to understand hers
 
Last edited:
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

For some people that may be true. When Melissa Joan Hart came out as conservative in a liberal world I don't remember myself or anyone else attacking her on this forum. Perhaps it happened and I missed it...

I didn't even remember that, to be honest. Of course, I could never attack Clarissa. See was amazing! ;)
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I didn't even remember that, to be honest. Of course, I could never attack Clarissa. See was amazing! ;)

Clarissa was terrific. Ferguson, however, was a little asshole.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I didn't even remember that, to be honest. Of course, I could never attack Clarissa. See was amazing! ;)

That was my show!! :mrgreen:
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Clarissa was terrific. Ferguson, however, was a little asshole.

Dude....he made me go "dude, your sister is cool!" when I was in my own little world of being angry at my little sister. Ferguson just couldn't keep the bro-alliance alive!
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I really don't think that this is particularly brave. She's a Hollywood starlette, there is almost no risk to her in any way. You think she will be shunned or lose rolls because of this? Not a chance. It's the unknown kid in a small town High School that is brave. Plus, another hot chic playing on the wrong team!
There's a lot of truth to this.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I could care less if you are gay or not. It does not give you instant credibility. I formed an opinion based on the content of your post and it is not changed by your sexual orientation. Unlike you, I don't think that everyone who identifies as gay thinks the same way or shares one collective identity. Just like some African Americans will label a fellow African American a whiner for speaking out against oppression doesn't make me second guess my stance on oppression within that community. It DOES affect my opinion about the African American rejecting the thoughts, feelings, experiences and needs of others. So take your self righteous pontification and well, just keep it.

If that's your experience then good for you. But demeaning someone who has the need because their experience is different then yours only makes you look judgmental and small.

For pity's sake, it's couldn't care less. At least get this right, would you?

And look who's "pontificating," missy. I haven't demeaned anyone at all.

If I misunderstood your words that's fine. Clarify and I will gladly retract my words. But given you to stated in a thread where everyone is bashing a young gay woman, who obviously feels the need to unburden herself, that you're tired of it and starlets coming out isn't what it's about I think my interpretation of your words as dismissive and lacking in empathy makes perfect sense. So clarify if you can but otherwise, my opinion of your post stands.

You didn't "misunderstand" my words; you assigned to me words, thoughts, and feelings that I have never expressed and don't hold. And I am not "everybody" either. I have said nothing at all about this actor except that I’m bored with coming out publicly in general. Which I am.

You truly are clueless if you think that some starlet making a public announcement that she’s gay matters as much as people who are gay being able to work without harassment. Most people don't even think twice about who's straight or gay in the workplace. That's the victory.

Your not getting this would be funny if only it weren’t so tragic that you flatter yourself that you're some sort of liberal avenger-hero when you swoop down to brand someone as lacking in compassion or empathy when nothing has been said to indicate this at all.

No, I am not going to “clarify my position.” What I said was plain and simple. I don’t know why you’re projecting, but you are fabricating opinions and feelings for me that I have never expressed. Grow up and read what people actually say rather than what you desire to project.

From John Hawkins (on why liberals can be such unpleasant people):

Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1

If you don't think 3 and 5 apply to conservatives as well, you're hopeless.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Thats sad, I used to think she was cute. Glad I never seen anything of hers but X-Men, so I didn't waste my money and won't have to burn her dvds.

It sure would be nice if someone could find a cure for that disease.

Since it's not a disease, this comment only demonstrates your ignorance on this issue.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

Actually I already do massive amounts of boycotting. I just added one more thing to the list.... YOU.

Another example of Tigger being incapable of dealing with anything that causes his cognitive dissonance to flair up.
 
re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

I pray that she is able to overcome her temptation and find the love of Christ instead of living a life enslaved to her temptations and living bound to sin.

Fortunately, it seems she is more enlightened then that.
 
Back
Top Bottom