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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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chromium said:
Then you're completely out of touch with their daily lives, also not surprising. Let's look at CA since you keep pointing to a ballot from 2008 like it means anything: Marriage vs. Civil Union or Domestic Partnership | Freedom to Marry

For one, civil unions aren't recognized federally! There goes 1000+ rights. Next, tell this guy there's no diff between civil union and marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9gyloyOjM

Now at Oregon, a state that will likely legalize SSM in the next year:

"Oregon's domestic partnership law went into effect in February 2008. However, as with civil union the status remains a separate and unequal legal compromise which does not apply when a couple travels out of state, and offers no federal protections....Many domestic partnership registries offer no rights or protections at all and simply serve as a written acknowledgment of a couple's commitment to each other."

What this boils down to is you clearly believe that homos are inferior, so basic rights and dignity are of far less significance than that every american bow down before you(r god) on this matter, thus you lumping it with abortion of all absurdities. You really may as well just let loose with what you really think. Let those insults fly
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What exactly does Marriage offer a couple that you cannot have in a Civil Union?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
According to the supreme court, you're completely wrong.



And it ruled the same way another 12 times. You're free to be as bigoted as you want, but your opinion does not reflect reality.
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Because of procreation, how do gays procreate? Loving v Va was about race
 
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Conservative said:
What exactly does Marriage offer a couple that you cannot have in a Civil Union?
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Equality. If to you a civil union has every advantage a marriage does, you're not arguing based on the effects for our society, you're arguing because it pisses you off that gays are getting married. If it's functionally the same, why are you so passionately against it?

Conservative said:
Because of procreation, how do gays procreate? Loving v Va was about race
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Incorrect. Marriage has nothing to do with procreation. If that were a requirement, we would be denying sterile people or people who don't want kids from marrying.

And yes, Loving v Virginia was about race, but it was one of many court cases that affirmed marriage as a civil right, which you claimed wasn't the case.
 
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RabidAlpaca;1062945104]Equality. If to you a civil union has every advantage a marriage does, you're not arguing based on the effects for our society, you're arguing because it pisses you off that gays are getting married. If it's functionally the same, why are you so passionately against it?
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A civil union can be anything you want it to be and what pisses me off is the fact that people like you and others claim equal rights violations on anything that you want and cannot legislate through the electorate. If you want the title of married, then move to a state that authorizes it or play by the rules established. You have the same rights I have with regard to marriage but because your sexual orientation is different that isn't good enough for you.



Incorrect. Marriage has nothing to do with procreation. If that were a requirement, we would be denying sterile people or people who don't want kids from marrying.

And yes, Loving v Virginia was about race, but it was one of many court cases that affirmed marriage as a civil right, which you claimed wasn't the case.
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Your opinion noted, I am entitled to mine. Marriage isn't in the Constitution and is a state issue. Going about changing the law in the states is the right thing to do for gays not through the courts. Courts are pissing off a lot of people and depending on the judge the ruling varies. The way to correct it is a Constitutional Amendment that Democrats and minorities like are scared to death of. You people want the issue not a solution
 
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Conservative said:
Because of procreation, how do gays procreate? Loving v Va was about race
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Is procreation a requirement for marriage? No, it isn't. Why you keep bringing this strawman up is beyond me and others.

I also love how you say this is an insignificant issue, yet you and others continue to fight it as though it is significant. If it isn't significant, stop fighting it then.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Is procreation a requirement for marriage? No, it isn't. Why you keep bringing this strawman up is beyond me and others.

I also love how you say this is an insignificant issue, yet you and others continue to fight it as though it is significant. If it isn't significant, stop fighting it then.
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I fight to correct the record, Marriage isn't in the Constitution, isn't a civil right, and generates passion on the part of a lot of people. the way to solve the problem is to put it in the Constitution. What are you afraid of?
 
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Conservative said:
I fight to correct the record, Marriage isn't in the Constitution, isn't a civil right, and generates passion on the part of a lot of people. the way to solve the problem is to put it in the Constitution. What are you afraid of?
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Ah so it IS a significant issue to you and you lied. Got it thank you. So please stop spouting the lie of it being insignificant when you and others won't let it go. What is it about conservatism in you that forces you to lie?

Soon enough it will be righted when the SCOTUS rules gay marriage legal across the states, even in YOUR state of Texas. I will toast to you that day and laugh.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Ah so it IS a significant issue to you and you lied. Got it thank you. So please stop spouting the lie of it being insignificant when you and others won't let it go. What is it about conservatism in you that forces you to lie?

Soon enough it will be righted when the SCOTUS rules gay marriage legal across the states, even in YOUR state of Texas. I will toast to you that day and laugh.
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We shall see, they haven't yet and the question is why? SCOTUS has stayed away from state issues and marriage is a state issue. I am the one who gets it, equal protection to you and others is anything you want it to be and cannot sell to the electorate so you go to the courts.
 
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Conservative said:
We shall see, they haven't yet and the question is why? SCOTUS has stayed away from state issues and marriage is a state issue. I am the one who gets it, equal protection to you and others is anything you want it to be and cannot sell to the electorate so you go to the courts.
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You also were one of the ones that said they wouldn't strike DOMA IIRC as well, how did that work for you?

Equal protection? Bull****, if SSM were legalized, YOU could marry someone of the same sex too. Equality.

No matter, I will toast to you and the other anti-SSM people (especially in Texas) when it happens, happily knowing YOU lost.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Is procreation a requirement for marriage? No, it isn't. ... .
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It's a requirement for survival of the species.
And some form of marriage is the tradition that grew up to try to assure that survival.
But it's specious to claim that, say, if one or both partners in a traditional marriage is infertile then the original purpose for marriage is invalidated.
 
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bubbabgone said:
It's a requirement for survival of the species.
And some form of marriage is the tradition that grew up to try to assure that survival.
But it's specious to claim that, say, if one or both partners in a traditional marriage is infertile then the original purpose for marriage is invalidated.
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Yes, it's a requirement for survival of the species, but do you really think denying gays the right to marry is going to make them say "Oh man, since I can't get married, I'm going to go find someone of the opposite sex and marry them and procreate"?

Therefore procreation and "the survival of the species" is completely IRRELEVANT to the discussion of SSM. Whether SSM is legalized or not, you will have gays that are STILL GAY.
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, and how many different posters have responded to me?
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People always get lots of responses if they say things that are stupid, hateful or wildly dishonest.

......even more when they manage the trifecta.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes, it's a requirement for survival of the species, but do you really think denying gays the right to marry is going to make them say "Oh man, since I can't get married, I'm going to go find someone of the opposite sex and marry them and procreate"?

Therefore procreation and "the survival of the species" is completely IRRELEVANT to the discussion of SSM.
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Whether SSM is legalized or not, you will have gays that are STILL GAY.
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Only if you consider it irrelevant that despite a structure having been created by a species in order to advance their species you want to ignore that development of hundreds of thousands of years.
Look at it this way... you're a Socialist ... would you think it's right to change the definition of Socialism just because one day you didn't think the Federal Government should own major industries anymore?
Or would you find another group to belong to?
 
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bubbabgone said:
Only if you consider it irrelevant that despite a structure having been created by a species in order to advance their species you want to ignore that development of hundreds of thousands of years.
Look at it this way... you're a Socialist ... would you think it's right to change the definition of Socialism just because one day you didn't think the Federal Government should own major industries anymore?
Or would you find another group to belong to?
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Why do you think I shouldn't be able to marry the woman of my choice?

At my age, any prospective spouse would be beyond child-bearing years and so I do not understand why you would discriminate against us.
 
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Gardener said:
Why do you think I shouldn't be able to marry the woman of my choice?

At my age, any prospective spouse would be beyond child-bearing years
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and so I do not understand why you would discriminate against us.
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Covered earlier in #961
 
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bubbabgone said:
Covered earlier in #961
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It wasn't really covered at all, because the speciousness lies in the fact that if procreation were actually germane to the discussion, then it would be incumbent upon you to apply this argument to all instead of just cherry picking. As such, you are only indulging in a red herring due to your prejudice.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You also were one of the ones that said they wouldn't strike DOMA IIRC as well, how did that work for you?

Equal protection? Bull****, if SSM were legalized, YOU could marry someone of the same sex too. Equality.

No matter, I will toast to you and the other anti-SSM people (especially in Texas) when it happens, happily knowing YOU lost.
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Really? Post for me my quote about DOMA? By the way since obviously DOMA was struck down by the SC and DOMA defined Marriage then this thread is actually a waste of time

The Equal Rights argument is typical liberalism, you don't like current law because it interferes with what you want to do you fight it and take it to court, find some activist judge to give you what you want. Sounds like spoiled little children to me.
 
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Gardener said:
Why do you think I shouldn't be able to marry the woman of my choice?

At my age, any prospective spouse would be beyond child-bearing years and so I do not understand why you would discriminate against us.
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You want to marry someone of your sex and want the title of being married, then move to a state that allows it. Simple solution but not for someone who simply wants attention.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Only if you consider it irrelevant that despite a structure having been created by a species in order to advance their species you want to ignore that development of hundreds of thousands of years.
Look at it this way... you're a Socialist ... would you think it's right to change the definition of Socialism just because one day you didn't think the Federal Government should own major industries anymore?
Or would you find another group to belong to?
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Please explain to me how I am a socialist, this ought to be fun.

Again I say, how is SSM not being legal going to change the fact there are still gays raising children and there are still gay couples. None of what you have said matters to that fact.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
The group selected was done so in order to prevent bias in the study. This has been explained to you over and over.



No, this is a complete fabrication. The homosexual group was not undergoing any treatment whatsoever. In fact, this was a requirement for being part of her study. A member could not be in therapy, could not have received previous psychological treatment, could not have bee in prison, and could not have shown any significant disturbance. Your information is a compete falsehood.



Nope. This is untrue.



Since what you claim did not occur, your objections are irrelevant.
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So to get this straight. You claim previous studies were biased because the control group was selected from only mental health patients and criminals. This study selected control it's control group from only those who were not mental patients or criminals and all from the same organization. So previous studies and this one all pre-selected their homosexual control groups, none from a general sampling of the population. If one study is biased, then the same measure must be applied to all studies. If one study is corrupted because it's control group was not selected from the general population, then all studies that did not select it's control group from the general population must be equally considered corrupted. I am applying the same measure to all the studies, equally, without consideration of the desirability of the results.

A group, dedicated to promoting ethical behavior is not a form of group therapy? So groups like AA and other support groups are not forms of group therapy? Since all of them are dedicated to changing/controlling adverse behaviors, then I would call that a form of group therapy.
 
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Conservative said:
not for someone who simply wants attention.
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Finally, you admit what all these posts of yours are all about.

It's a start.
 
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Gardener said:
It wasn't really covered at all, because the speciousness lies in the fact that if procreation were actually germane to the discussion, then it would be incumbent upon you to apply this argument to all instead of just cherry picking. As such, you are only indulging in a red herring due to your prejudice.
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Not really ... procreation is germane in that over hundreds of thousands of years humans decided to formalize an arrangement between different genders in order to maintain the species.

Given that, attempts to minimize that historical reality by equating inability to procreate because of physical limitations, with what nature never intended to be possible, seems like something I'd expect you wouldn't want to do.

Or maybe you ARE saying being gay is an abnormal human condition.

Is that it?
 
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TheNextEra said:
Please explain to me how I am a socialist,
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this ought to be fun.

Again I say, how is SSM not being legal going to change the fact there are still gays raising children and there are still gay couples. None of what you have said matters to that fact.
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That was just an example.
You must be something.
Whatever you are you can plug it in.
 
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bubbabgone said:
That was just an example.
You must be something.
Whatever you are you can plug it in.
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Again, I believe in people having their choices. I may not agree with them and if the state can show cause why something should not be legal that's fine. The states have no case as to why SSM shouldn't be legal.

The dominoes are falling against the anti-SSM crowd and the SCOTUS will be the final nail in the coffin for them.
 
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