Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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Conservative said:

It does matter
2.), sexual orientation isn't a civil right, race is.
3.)Yours is a very slippery slope because you do have the same rights as I have, to marry anyone of the opposite sex that will have you

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1.) nope it doesn't because when this is pushed to SSCs and to federal courts all the rulings seem to be the same, equality, equal rights etc etc
2.) lol nobody said sexual orientation was but marriage is a rights and equal rights is the issue, the courts have made this so
3.) please stop with this, this illogical inane strawman has NEVER worked and gets laughed at by everybody educated and honest.

I do have the same rights has you since im straight but there are many of my fallow americans that dont share the same rights as me and im fighting for them because im weird like that.

I want all my fellow americans to share the same rights i have, i care about them.

THis is way im so happy equal rights is winning and this is another injustice, bigotry and discrimination that will be put to rest. at least law wise anyway.

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OscarB63 said:

duh, not too smart are you. that is my entire frelling point. normal or abnormal is irrelevant when discussing whether or not homosexuality is "good" or "bad". and it is an undeniable fact that statistically homosexuality is abnormal.

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Full-on hate huh?

Are you sure you know your point

normal or abnormal is irrelevant when discussing whether or not homosexuality is "good" or "bad"

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Then

it is an undeniable fact that statistically homosexuality is abnormal

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Wouldn't abnormal=bad and normal=good, which you just said was irrelevant? BTW, since when are rights only for the statistically norm?

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AGENT J said:

1.) nope it doesn't because when this is pushed to SSCs and to federal courts all the rulings seem to be the same, equality, equal rights etc etc
2.) lol nobody said sexual orientation was but marriage is a rights and equal rights is the issue, the courts have made this so
3.) please stop with this, this illogical inane strawman has NEVER worked and gets laughed at by everybody educated and honest.

I do have the same rights has you since im straight but there are many of my fallow americans that dont share the same rights as me and im fighting for them because im weird like that.

I want all my fellow americans to share the same rights i have, i care about them.

THis is way im so happy equal rights is winning and this is another injustice, bigotry and discrimination that will be put to rest. at least law wise anyway.

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What is going to happen is enough people are going to poke the bear and get that bear angry enough to force a Constitutional Amendment that the minority aren't going to like and one they cannot get an activist judge to overturn.. Better leave well enough alone, fight the battle state by state and forget it in the states that will never authorize SSM. Don't get it, why is marriage so important to SS couples? What does marriage offer than a Civil Union doesn't? To me it is just a large group of vocal malcontents who want to destroy tradition and history for their own perceived gain. What exactly do they gain?

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Conservative said:

What is going to happen is enough people are going to poke the bear and get that bear angry enough to force a Constitutional Amendment that the minority aren't going to like and one they cannot get an activist judge to overturn.. Better leave well enough alone, fight the battle state by state and forget it in the states that will never authorize SSM. Don't get it, why is marriage so important to SS couples? What does marriage offer than a Civil Union doesn't? To me it is just a large group of vocal malcontents who want to destroy tradition and history for their own perceived gain. What exactly do they gain?

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I guess for most it is a symbol of societal acceptance... but ultimately acceptance is something given or withheld by *people*, not awarded by courts.

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Conservative said:

1.)What is going to happen is enough people are going to poke the bear and get that bear angry enough to force a Constitutional Amendment that the minority aren't going to like and one they cannot get an activist judge to overturn..
2.)Better leave well enough alone
3.) fight the battle state by state
4.)and forget it in the states that will never authorize SSM.
5.) Don't get it, why is marriage so important to SS couples?
6.)What does marriage offer than a Civil Union doesn't?
7.)To me it is just a large group of vocal malcontents who want to destroy tradition and history for their own perceived gain.
8.) What exactly do they gain?

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1.) what bear? the majority of people in the US support equal rights. all of the polls in the last year or two rang from 53-58%
and why didnt that happen for interracial marriage when 80+% were against it

sorry YOU are the minority
but regardless there will be ZERO amendment making gays second class citizens

Ill bet anything you want, id bet the farm the tractor, and auntie em lol thinking there will be an amendment is lunacy lol

2.) nope the majority of people are fighting for equal rights and laughing at the conspiracy theorist. THier fear, anger and panic is hilarious.
3.) this is already happening and equal rights is winning
4.) nope equal rights will win there too and the best part they are HELPING it win with the bans and other things that can be challenged in court its great!

Its actually so much poetic justice that some of the bans helped equal rights
5..) this is just a stupid question beyond measurement. Why was equal rights so important to women, minorities, why is it important to anybody. WHy do i care about it im not gay? if you dont know the answer to that question im sure freedom rights and liberty in general are very confusing to you along with the rest of this country.

6.) wow, see #5 civil unions are factually not equal and cant be made to be. You cant be serious, seems like you dont get history either then

7.) there will factually be no history/tradition destroyed LMAO another idiotic failed strawman that nobody educated and honest will ever take seriously.
if you disagree by all means, PLEASE PLEASE tell me the "tradition" that will be factually "destroyed" cant wait to read that fantasy

8.) agains see #5 equal rights

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Conservative said:

What is going to happen is enough people are going to poke the bear and get that bear angry enough to force a Constitutional Amendment that the minority aren't going to like and one they cannot get an activist judge to overturn.. Better leave well enough alone, fight the battle state by state and forget it in the states that will never authorize SSM. Don't get it, why is marriage so important to SS couples? What does marriage offer than a Civil Union doesn't? To me it is just a large group of vocal malcontents who want to destroy tradition and history for their own perceived gain. What exactly do they gain?

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You do realize that the definition of marriage has changed significantly throughout history don't you?

Also, for a conservative to seek to limit the freedoms of others seems a bit hypocritical.

Why can't you retain your understanding of what marriage is and seek the company of like minded people. How does the fact that others may see it differently keep you from doing that?

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Goshin said:

I guess for most it is a symbol of societal acceptance... but ultimately acceptance is something given or withheld by *people*, not awarded by courts.

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anybody that thinks gaining equal rights will just magical grant social acceptance is severely misguided. Not saying YOU said that just pointing out that.

I mean dont get me wrong, education and equal rights will help sexuality not be so judged BUT its 2014 and there are still plenty of racists, misogynists, bigots and people that do not accept interracial marriage etc etc.

The law and rights cant control that, it just helps prevent illegal activity related to such.. . . .

peoples feelings are peoples feelings so your last statement couldnt be more true

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AGENT J said:

1.) what bear? the majority of people in the US support equal rights. all of the polls in the last year or two rang from 53-58%
and why didnt that happen for interracial marriage when 80+% were against it

sorry YOU are the minority
but regardless there will be ZERO amendment making gays second class citizens

Ill bet anything you want, id bet the farm the tractor, and auntie em lol thinking there will be an amendment is lunacy lol

2.) nope the majority of people are fighting for equal rights and laughing at the conspiracy theorist. THier fear, anger and panic is hilarious.
3.) this is already happening and equal rights is winning
4.) nope equal rights will win there too and the best part they are HELPING it win with the bans and other things that can be challenged in court its great!

Its actually so much poetic justice that some of the bans helped equal rights
5..) this is just a stupid question beyond measurement. Why was equal rights so important to women, minorities, why is it important to anybody. WHy do i care about it im not gay? if you dont know the answer to that question im sure freedom rights and liberty in general are very confusing to you along with the rest of this country.

6.) wow, see #5 civil unions are factually not equal and cant be made to be. You cant be serious, seems like you dont get history either then

7.) there will factually be no history/tradition destroyed LMAO another idiotic failed strawman that nobody educated and honest will ever take seriously.
if you disagree by all means, PLEASE PLEASE tell me the "tradition" that will be factually "destroyed" cant wait to read that fantasy

8.) agains see #5 equal rights

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Here we go again, having too much faith in polls. Polls don't matter on a national level because people can skew the polls whatever way they want and depending on how the question is asked or the attitude of the person being asked the question. Many people say they support SSM to pollsters but don't vote that way in the voting booth. That is a fact.

The Bear is the silent majority and those are the people SS couples are alienating forcing acceptance through the courts and not at the ballot box. That isn't a winning proposition.

As for the rest of your post, I am done with this. SSM issues sicken me when there are so many more important and serious issues facing this country. Making it a equal rights issue is nothing more than a ruse.

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Conservative said:

Hey, dude, California is bankrupt and that makes it liberal. You are such an expert on what everyone else would do so why bother even discussing it here. You believe you are going to win, sit back and watch it happen. With all the problems facing this country there is no question that SSM is Number One

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Hey even that pig scalia admitted it's inevitable, don't blame me! Human rights is the #1 function of government, yes, but it hardly takes a concerted effort either. All it takes is one SCOTUS ruling and you're cooked. You want to harp on ballots of 5 years ago like it means anything? Well, 5 years from now gay marriage will be legal in every state!

Why don't you go chastise the mormons and christian right for throwing millions in deceitful scare tactics at a "non #1 issue"? Or at least take your own advice and cease discussing it. Be consistent at some turn.

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Conservative said:

Here we go again, having too much faith in polls. Polls don't matter on a national level because people can skew the polls whatever way they want and depending on how the question is asked or the attitude of the person being asked the question. Many people say they support SSM to pollsters but don't vote that way in the voting booth. That is a fact.

The Bear is the silent majority and those are the people SS couples are alienating forcing acceptance through the courts and not at the ballot box. That isn't a winning proposition.

As for the rest of your post, I am done with this. SSM issues sicken me when there are so many more important and serious issues facing this country. Making it a equal rights issue is nothing more than a ruse.

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What exactly does the Bear have the power to do?

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chromium said:

Hey even that pig scalia admitted it's inevitable, don't blame me! Human rights is the #1 function of government, yes, but it hardly takes a concerted effort either. All it takes is one SCOTUS ruling and you're cooked. You want to harp on ballots of 5 years ago like it means anything? Well, 5 years from now gay marriage will be legal in every state!

Why don't you go chastise the mormons and christian right for throwing millions in deceitful scare tactics at a "non #1 issue"? Or at least take your own advice and cease discussing it. Be consistent at some turn.

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You don't get it, do you. The Supreme Court has no say over a passed Constitutional Amendment, NONE

Here is why this isn't a civil rights issue

http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$1178

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opendebate said:

What exactly does the Bear have the power to do?

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Pass a Constitutional Amendment that cannot be overturned by the courts

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Conservative said:

Pass a Constitutional Amendment that cannot be overturned by the courts

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That tells me what you would like to do not what you have the power to do.

Besides, how does it harm you to let people live their lives in peace as I am sure you would like to do?

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Conservative said:

You don't get it, do you. The Supreme Court has no say over a passed Constitutional Amendment, NONE

Here is why this isn't a civil rights issue

http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$1178

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Could make that link work, but haven't courts been ruling that it is?

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opendebate said:

That tells me what you would like to do not what you have the power to do.

Besides, how does it harm you to let people live their lives in peace as I am sure you would like to do?

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Why SSM isn't a civil right

http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$1178

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Boo Radley said:

Could make that link work, but haven't courts been ruling that it is?

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Copy and paste it into your browser. Activists justices can rule that the earth is flat too. Let the states handle the issue as marriage is common law and a state issue.

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Conservative said:

1.)Here we go again, having too much faith in polls. Polls don't matter on a national level because people can skew the polls whatever way they want and depending on how the question is asked or the attitude of the person being asked the question.
2.)Many people say they support SSM to pollsters but don't vote that way in the voting booth. That is a fact.
3.)The Bear is the silent majority and those are the people SS couples are alienating forcing acceptance through the courts and not at the ballot box.
4.)That isn't a winning proposition.
5.)As for the rest of your post, I am done with this. SSM issues sicken me when there are so many more important and serious issues facing this country. Making it a equal rights issue is nothing more than a ruse.

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1.) yes the 10 or so polls over the last year or two are all skewed
2.) a fact you cant prove lol and more importantly one that doesn't matter since there will be no amendment ment LMAO
3.) facts proof you are the minority

also nobody honest, educated and intelligent thinks equal rights alienates them or anything is being forced on them lol

4.) actually it is, equal rights is winning
5.) translation: you have no answers to the questions i asked, some of my post proves you factually wrong and you have no logic/facts to support some of your claims, so you will dodge them and runaway.
I accept your concession.

Let me know when you are ready or can back up your claims.

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Conservative said:

Why SSM isn't a civil right

http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$1178

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What are you afraid of?

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Conservative said:

Pass a Constitutional Amendment that cannot be overturned by the courts

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this fantasy will never happen lol
but its hilarious that anybody thinks it will

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Conservative said:

Copy and paste it into your browser. Activists justices can rule that the earth is flat too. Let the states handle the issue as marriage is common law and a state issue.

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I'd rather you make it work.

And don't whine. Just answer correctly that courts have disagreed with you. It's ok to acknowledge facts.

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Conservative said:

Copy and paste it into your browser. Activists justices can rule that the earth is flat too. Let the states handle the issue as marriage is common law and a state issue.

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nope not when it violates rights we already saw this history and are seeing it again

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Conservative said:

Why SSM isn't a civil right

http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$1178

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from your link:

we seek to help citizens and public officeholders respond to God's call to do justice.

I find that troubling.

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AGENT J said:

1.) yes the 10 or so polls over the last year or two are all skewed
2.) a fact you cant prove lol and more importantly one that doesn't matter since there will be no amendment ment LMAO
3.) facts proof you are the minority

also nobody honest, educated and intelligent thinks equal rights alienates them or anything is being forced on them lol

4.) actually it is, equal rights is winning
5.) translation: you have no answers to the questions i asked, some of my post proves you factually wrong and you have no logic/facts to support some of your claims, so you will dodge them and runaway.
I accept your concession.

Let me know when you are ready or can back up your claims.

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Aw, yes, such passion for something that really is a non issue. Civil unions will provide exactly what SS couples want but no you and others have to go against history and tradition claiming the bogus argument of a violation of your civil rights. If you can show me where marriage is a civil right and defined in the Constitution then I will support your cause. It isn't and I don't

12 or so states agree with you, you want to be married, move to one of those states. North Carolina voted 61 percent in favor of traditional marriage. You aren't going to win as muchof the country as you think as I have posted those poll numbers many times.

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opendebate said:

from your link:

we seek to help citizens and public officeholders respond to God's call to do justice.

I find that troubling.

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Of course you do, and that doesn't surprise me at all nor do I care

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AGENT J said:

nope not when it violates rights we already saw this history and are seeing it again

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That is your opinion, show me marriage defined in the Constitution or any other Federal document. It is a state issue and that is where it belongs. You want to make a federal issue, then put it in the form of a Constitutional Amendment. What are you afraid of?