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Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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winston53660 said:
But it is normal. What would be abnormal if there were no homosexuals having homosexual sex.
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As has been sourced and posted about the animal kingdom, the behavior that is abnormal is having only homosexual sex.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, well wishes in one hand and dog**** in the other and what do you have? :mrgreen:

But nice stray into strawman territory.
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It's not a straw man it's an example of how flawed that argument is in the context of the debate on this issue.
 
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clownboy said:
As has been sourced and posted about the animal kingdom, the behavior that is abnormal is having only homosexual sex.
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But it is normal for the lesbian whip tail lizard to have only homosexual sex.
 
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winston53660 said:
But it is normal. What would be abnormal if there were no homosexuals having homosexual sex.
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It is a pointless argument because the logic is flawed. Unless those who make this accusation treat every human behavior that they consider "not normal" the same then they have no basis for applying it here. Think of how many things human beings do that are not "normal" that don't suffer the same judgment or condemnation. Not to mention the behaviors that have been judged this way that have benefited society as a whole. I think it is healthier to embrace the distinction.
 
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OscarB63 said:
Rosie O'donnel with a strap-on......
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And a ball gag so as to not have to hear her voice.
 
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OscarB63 said:
wrongo and a stupid pointless line of argument.

by the standard definition, homosexuality is not normal. only a very small % of the population is homosexual, therefore homosexuality is definitely outside of the "norm" and is therefore not normal.
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Just like redheads. I don't think we should let gingers marry.
 
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opendebate said:
It is a pointless argument because the logic is flawed. Unless those who make this accusation treat every human behavior that they consider "not normal" the same then they have no basis for applying it here. Think of how many things human beings do that are not "normal" that don't suffer the same judgment or condemnation. Not to mention the behaviors that have been judged this way that have benefited society as a whole. I think it is healthier to embrace the distinction.
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Yeah they are selectively applying value judgments to things that are of no consequence. In one case abnormal is good eg genius in another it is bad eg homosexuality.
 
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clownboy said:
As has been sourced and posted about the animal kingdom, the behavior that is abnormal is having only homosexual sex.
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i love the "gays in the animal kingdom" argument. since we come from apes, clownboy, shouldn't you be able to point to "natural" homosexuality in ape species? or is that just too damaging to your entire argument?
 
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iguanaman said:
Just like redheads. I don't think we should let gingers marry.
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They can marry, just not have children.
 
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CriticalThought said:
You do not get to define what is considered normal to other people. The more you try to control the thoughts of others by telling what they can and cannot consider normal the more apparent your desire for moral tyranny becomes.
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Nor do you, society defines what is normal and that may differ from what individuals think is normal. The gay and lesbian community is a very small minority in this country with a very vocal leadership and it is a leadership that is going to generate an outcome that they aren't going to like when a Constitutional Amendment is forced upon them defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
 
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opendebate said:
It's not a straw man it's an example of how flawed that argument is in the context of the debate on this issue.
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Swing and a miss. It is a stawman for many reasons, but at heart because it is a manufactured example that is nowhere realistic.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I'm married to a Beautiful Japanese girl who I have a son with.

Because I stand up for individual liberty you attack me.

You're a fraud, a fake, you're not a Small Government Conservative, you're a Republican Stooge only.

Whatever they so goes for you including discrimination against gays.
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Anytime anyone challenges you it is a personal attack in your world. Keep up with the name calling, certainly no attack there. I am entitled to my opinion just like you so get over it.

You now want to define individual liberty and anything else that you happen to believe in. Marriage is common law, defined by the states and has nothing what so ever to do with civil liberties or a civil right no matter how you want to view it. Change the laws as 12 or so states have done. Civil unions work fine for me and did during my working career. Those that want the title of married are nothing more than malcontents and people looking for publicity in my opinion

Congratulations on being married to a beautiful woman. I was married to a beautiful woman for over 40 years. God now has her in His Kingdom and I miss her dearly
 
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winston53660 said:
But it is normal for the lesbian whip tail lizard to have only homosexual sex.
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Get on back to us when we're talking about lesbian whip tail lizards and no your example isn't correct. They are part of a parthenogenic class of lizards. There is no homosexuality for them.
 
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clownboy said:
Swing and a miss. It is a stawman for many reasons, but at heart because it is a manufactured example that is nowhere realistic.
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Whatever. It's a valid point and you know it. Judging, condemning, denying equal treatment, or equal freedom to live as they chose to anyone because you think their choice is not normal is not a valid justification
 
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iguanaman said:
Just like redheads. I don't think we should let gingers marry.
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You do know that 'ginger' is a deragatory slur only to be used by redheads when speaking in terms of other redheads, right? I mean would you at least support civil unions for us?


I am so sick of the war on redheads around here lately, I am sorry my red hair offends you but I was just born that way.







:lol:
 
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JoeTrumps said:
i love the "gays in the animal kingdom" argument. since we come from apes, clownboy, shouldn't you be able to point to "natural" homosexuality in ape species? or is that just too damaging to your entire argument?
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The info was posted and sourced already in this thread, look back. It seems those who foist that argument do so incorrectly. There is no exclusively homosexual behavior in apes.
 
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winston53660 said:
Okay what is the "true" definition of the word normal?
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Per your request although I am sure you could look up the definition but as usual you are just looking for attention. still waiting for you to admit you are wrong on what outlawed slavery. That is probably too much to ask of a liberal

nor·mal
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adjective

1.
conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

synonyms: usual, standard, ordinary, customary, conventional, habitual, accustomed, expected, wonted; More
ordinary, average, typical, run-of-the-mill, middle-of-the-road, common, conventional, mainstream, unremarkable, unexceptional, garden-variety, a dime a dozen
antonyms: unusual (of a person) free from physical or mental disorders.
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americanwoman said:
You do know that 'ginger' is a deragatory slur only to be used by redheads when speaking in terms of other redheads, right? I mean would you at least support civil unions for us?


I am so sick of the war on redheads around here lately, I am sorry my red hair offends you but I was just born that way.

:lol:
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I'm sorry, I don't accept you were born that way. I know a woman who dyed her hair red. When she got tired of it she dyed her back again. Red-headedness is chosen.
 
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opendebate said:
Whatever. It's a valid point and you know it. Judging, condemning, denying equal treatment, or equal freedom to live as they chose to anyone because you think their choice is not normal is not a valid justification
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Part of that is true and I haven't argued that it was a valid justification for denying "equal freedom to live". However, we do indeed judge and deny equal treatment for behaviors all the time and that is perfectly justified.
 
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clownboy said:
Part of that is true and I haven't argued that it was a valid justification for denying "equal freedom to live". However, we do indeed judge and deny equal treatment for behaviors all the time and that is perfectly justified.
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People judge, agreed.

I said equal freedom to live as they chose. There's a significant difference.

Provide an example of someone lawfully being denied equal treatment based on a behavior where that behavior is not obviously harmful to another person.
 
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Cardinal said:
I'm sorry, I don't accept you were born that way. I know a woman who dyed her hair red. When she got tired of it she dyed her back again. Red-headedness is chosen.
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So you can choose the hair color you are born with or do you have to put in a temporary color to change it? She never "changed" her hair color, she simply painted it differently for awhile. Or did her hair start growing red when it was dyed?
 
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CriticalThought said:
It is considered normal because people can be happy and functional even if they are gay. That is the evidence which led to homosexuality being removed as a mental illness. For something to be considered a mental illness it needs to cause distress and dysfunction and homosexuality does not.
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So a sociopath that is happy and functional does not suffer from a mental illness? Really?

You might do a medical search on the effects of anal penetration, of both male and females, not strictly homosexuals, it can cause distress and dysfunction. As a minimum it causes tearing, that is how HIV gets into the system of male homosexuals. Otherwise there would be no blood to blood or semen to blood conduit for it to pass.
 
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opendebate said:
People judge, agreed.

I said equal freedom to live as they chose. There's a significant difference.

Provide an example of someone lawfully being denied equal treatment based on a behavior where that behavior is not obviously harmful to another person.
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Easy, recreational drug takers, nudists, anyone who behaves in what is considered (judged to be) "an anti-social manner". You can hide under the wandering definition of "equal treatment", but the heart of the matter is that people judge good and bad make the law accordingly.
 
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americanwoman said:
So you can choose the hair color you are born with or do you have to put in a temporary color to change it? She never "changed" her hair color, she simply painted it differently for awhile. Or did her hair start growing red when it was dyed?
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I dont...it was...I....red heads aren't normal!
 
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