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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I could care less if you are gay or not. It does not give you instant credibility. I formed an opinion based on the content of your post and it is not changed by your sexual orientation. Unlike you, I don't think that everyone who identifies as gay thinks the same way or shares one collective identity. Just like some African Americans will label a fellow African American a whiner for speaking out against oppression doesn't make me second guess my stance on oppression within that community. It DOES affect my opinion about the African American rejecting the thoughts, feelings, experiences and needs of others. So take your self righteous pontification and well, just keep it.

    If that's your experience then good for you. But demeaning someone who has the need because their experience is different then yours only makes you look judgmental and small.
    For pity's sake, it's couldn't care less. At least get this right, would you?

    And look who's "pontificating," missy. I haven't demeaned anyone at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    If I misunderstood your words that's fine. Clarify and I will gladly retract my words. But given you to stated in a thread where everyone is bashing a young gay woman, who obviously feels the need to unburden herself, that you're tired of it and starlets coming out isn't what it's about I think my interpretation of your words as dismissive and lacking in empathy makes perfect sense. So clarify if you can but otherwise, my opinion of your post stands.
    You didn't "misunderstand" my words; you assigned to me words, thoughts, and feelings that I have never expressed and don't hold. And I am not "everybody" either. I have said nothing at all about this actor except that I’m bored with coming out publicly in general. Which I am.

    You truly are clueless if you think that some starlet making a public announcement that she’s gay matters as much as people who are gay being able to work without harassment. Most people don't even think twice about who's straight or gay in the workplace. That's the victory.

    Your not getting this would be funny if only it weren’t so tragic that you flatter yourself that you're some sort of liberal avenger-hero when you swoop down to brand someone as lacking in compassion or empathy when nothing has been said to indicate this at all.

    No, I am not going to “clarify my position.” What I said was plain and simple. I don’t know why you’re projecting, but you are fabricating opinions and feelings for me that I have never expressed. Grow up and read what people actually say rather than what you desire to project.

    From John Hawkins (on why liberals can be such unpleasant people):

    Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

    When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

    Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
    5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

    When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

    Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
    5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Thats sad, I used to think she was cute. Glad I never seen anything of hers but X-Men, so I didn't waste my money and won't have to burn her dvds.

    It sure would be nice if someone could find a cure for that disease.
    Since it's not a disease, this comment only demonstrates your ignorance on this issue.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Actually I already do massive amounts of boycotting. I just added one more thing to the list.... YOU.
    Another example of Tigger being incapable of dealing with anything that causes his cognitive dissonance to flair up.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I pray that she is able to overcome her temptation and find the love of Christ instead of living a life enslaved to her temptations and living bound to sin.
    Fortunately, it seems she is more enlightened then that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Yes, I wouldn't really burn dvds over her admitting to having a severe mental disorder.
    More uneducated ignorance on this topic. You might want to actually educate yourself before you speak on it, further. The APA, with a wealth of research, declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder over 40 years ago. Do try to stay up to date on these issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Only to leftist, to intelligent logical human beings, they accept the fact that there is really no mental difference between homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia or any other sexual preference disorder. Funny, they claim all the rest are wrong but theirs is somehow normal.
    Ah. So now he Godwins by bringing in pedophilia and bestiality. You really don't know anything about this issue, do you? Perhaps you should read the Hooker Study... oh wait... you'd probably dismiss it without a shred of evidence, just because your ignorance on this issue wouldn't allow you to even consider understanding it. Silly me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    For pity's sake, it's couldn't care less. At least get this right, would you?

    And look who's "pontificating," missy. I haven't demeaned anyone at all.



    You didn't "misunderstand" my words; you assigned to me words, thoughts, and feelings that I have never expressed and don't hold. And I am not "everybody" either. I have said nothing at all about this actor except that I’m bored with coming out publicly in general. Which I am.

    You truly are clueless if you think that some starlet making a public announcement that she’s gay matters as much as people who are gay being able to work without harassment. Most people don't even think twice about who's straight or gay in the workplace. That's the victory.

    Your not getting this would be funny if only it weren’t so tragic that you flatter yourself that you're some sort of liberal avenger-hero when you swoop down to brand someone as lacking in compassion or empathy when nothing has been said to indicate this at all.

    No, I am not going to “clarify my position.” What I said was plain and simple. I don’t know why you’re projecting, but you are fabricating opinions and feelings for me that I have never expressed. Grow up and read what people actually say rather than what you desire to project.

    From John Hawkins (on why liberals can be such unpleasant people):

    Reason #3: Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties. As Charles Krauthammer has said, “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

    When you attribute disagreements with Barack Obama to racism, opposition to gay marriage to homophobia, standing against abortion as hatred of women, and a desire to balance the budget to loathing of the poor, you have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Stupid, you may be able to educate, but evil, you have to defeat -- and liberals are seldom picky about the means or the manners they use while trying to do so.

    Reason #5: Liberalism encourages arrogance: Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
    5 Reasons Liberals Are Such Unpleasant People To Be Around - John Hawkins - Page 1
    And the partisan award goes to...

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Throughout the human race, homosexuality is the only time when a man has a sexual attraction to other than a "adult" female or female to other than an adult male that it is not considered a mental disorder. Why is that? Why is every other deviation considered normal except that one?

    If it is normal, then why does replacing a deficiency in pregnant women remove most of the probability of female children growing up to be homosexual?

    In a study by the University of New Mexico done jointly with a California University, title "Why Women Cheat", they were able to observe, catalog and then reproduce the same results mapping out hormonal reactions in women in the presence of male hormones? If homosexuality is normal, then where are those male hormones coming from since the female body does not produce them?

    The only thing making me "wrong" in your view is the fact that due to being emotionally attached to your current view, you have closed yourself off to alternative views and theories. Which btw, your belief is not provable using scientific methods, unless of course we allow experimentation upon humans, something I definitely do not support.
    There is nothing intelligible in this post. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Only to leftist, to intelligent logical human beings, they accept the fact that there is really no mental difference between homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia or any other sexual preference disorder. Funny, they claim all the rest are wrong but theirs is somehow normal.
    What in the heck is a "sexual preference disorder"?

    Let me be clear on this much. Animals cannot consent to sex. Children cannot consent to sex. I am ordered enough to understand something that simple.

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