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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry but you have equal access just like I do. Marriage isn't defined in the Constitution, Marriage isn't a civil right, it is state law controlled by the states. Some have changed their laws. You don't like the laws of your state move to one more suitable to you. The SC has upheld the states' rights to make their laws and have never ruled on the definition of marriage. Keep doing what you are doing and you are forcing the people to do it for you.

    You misinterpret Loving vs. Va because that is what you want to believe. That was totally about race discrimination, not marriage. Both heterosexual couples were adhering to the laws of the state and were being denied solely on the basis of race
    Is it possible that I misinterpreted Loving v Virginia? Yes, it is. My degrees aren't in law, so it isn't my area of expertise. But, I will have to research that before I take the word of an anonymous homophobe on the internet.

    Now, as to the same-sex marriage laws issue, are you really suggesting that the solution should be "if you don't like our state laws, leave?" So, citizens shouldn't fight to change the laws they don't like? They should just accept whatever the State says and leave if they don't like it?
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Aww, aren't you adorable, with your ad homs and hasty generalizations. I'm actually quite happy in my life, thank you. Oh, and if you look to the left, right under my name and avatar, you'll see "Libertarian" not "Liberal." Remember, Reading is Fundamental!
    Yes, I can tell how happy you are. What I find interesting about Libertarians is that the first part of that word is the basis for the term liberal and I see liberalism coming out of you. I always thought libertarians were for limited govt. but not so in the case of marriage and sexual orientation. The votes of the people don't matter thus need to be overturned by the govt. or the courts. That is hardly Libertarian

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    You haven't shown me any facts yet. I remain unimpressed.
    another post and another dodge by you lol, no surprise
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    Yes, I can tell how happy you are. What I find interesting about Libertarians is that the first part of that word is the basis for the term liberal and I see liberalism coming out of you. I always thought libertarians were for limited govt. but not so in the case of marriage and sexual orientation. The votes of the people don't matter thus need to be overturned by the govt. or the courts. That is hardly Libertarian
    Haha! "But, your word starts the same as THEIR word, that's proof!" Do you actually think things through before you post?

    As for libertarians and limited government, yes I am ALL FOR limited government. Ideally, the government would be about 10% the size it is now (be it municipal, state, or federal). If I could, I would completely dismantle any and all legal marriage recognitions. But, since that will never happen, there is only one alternative. If we have to have a government recognized and sponsored contract, the only way for equality to exist is to extend that contract to all people regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religion, or race. It's called "picking your battles."

    EDIT to add: As for the "votes of the people," perhaps you should move to a democracy if you don't like the fact that the courts have the legal authority to overturn popular vote. The tyranny of the majority is never something I would support.
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    Something else to make Conservative's brain pop. I told him that the fight for equal rights would be fought on two fronts: state votes and the courts. I forgot to include state attorney generals that won't defend the ban.

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Oregon's attorney general will not defend the state's ban on gay marriage, arguing it cannot withstand a federal constitutional challenge.
    Oregon Won't Defend State's Gay Marriage Ban

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    And apparently I haven't been keeping account. All but 8 of the states that prevent gay marriage are filing suits?

    Cases are now pending in all but eight of the 33 states that forbid gay couples to marry. Most have been filed since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last June that the federal government cannot refuse to recognize same-sex marriage in the states where it's legal.
    Same-Sex Marriage Lawsuits Exploding in U.S. Courts - NBC News

    The USSC ruling really was the beginning of the end.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Actually, no it's not. If you know anything about social sciences, you would know that "the most scientifically valid description" is a load of horse crap when applied to the humanities. "Queer theory," which in and of itself is a disgusting name, has a great many learned detractors.

    And you never answered my question. Are you honestly saying that the billions of people in this world who identify as purely attracted to only one sex are wrong?
    The complete inability to be attracted to one gender is inconsistent w/the evidence obtained from observing complex non-human primates and other animals.

    However, no conclusive study has been on humans alone as to whether gayness or straightness is a myth. Such a study would have to involve humans who have been completely isolated from the social pressures associated w/popular perceptions of how humans are supposed to behave sexually, and that's likely impossible to set up.

    Any other study would be invalid.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well, there you go, probably why you are so unhappy and miserable spending all your time in a political debate forum trying to sell your ideology to others. Always can tell a liberal, the most unhappy group I have ever seen
    Uhm, this fits equally, with this poster ^
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Is it possible that I misinterpreted Loving v Virginia? Yes, it is. My degrees aren't in law, so it isn't my area of expertise. But, I will have to research that before I take the word of an anonymous homophobe on the internet.

    Now, as to the same-sex marriage laws issue, are you really suggesting that the solution should be "if you don't like our state laws, leave?" So, citizens shouldn't fight to change the laws they don't like? They should just accept whatever the State says and leave if they don't like it?
    Good, do the research and get back to me. While you are researching please find the term marriage in the Constitution.

    Got it, if a homosexual told you something you would believe it but because I told you something you have to do the research. Try doing it with what the homosexual tells you as well and ask that homosexual as to what their problem is with civil unions?

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Haha! "But, your word starts the same as THEIR word, that's proof!" Do you actually think things through before you post?

    As for libertarians and limited government, yes I am ALL FOR limited government. Ideally, the government would be about 10% the size it is now (be it municipal, state, or federal). If I could, I would completely dismantle any and all legal marriage recognitions. But, since that will never happen, there is only one alternative. If we have to have a government recognized and sponsored contract, the only way for equality to exist is to extend that contract to all people regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religion, or race. It's called "picking your battles."

    EDIT to add: As for the "votes of the people," perhaps you should move to a democracy if you don't like the fact that the courts have the legal authority to overturn popular vote. The tyranny of the majority is never something I would support.
    Courts do not have the authority to overturn a Constitutional Amendment and that is what you are going to force on the SSM crowd. You aren't going to like the outcome. Courts don't agree and it is interesting that you only buy the rulings that support your point of view

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