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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    You never asked me to come up with something unique about myself, did you? Did I miss something? You asked me in a pleasant, none aggressive manner to include lesbians in my diatribe. Well, sure, I can, I have an argument for that as well, but first why don't you address what I wrote about poop first.. I see your signature so I expect some serious game.. Got some?

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If, if, if. You really need to read what you post more carefully. What the paragraph above says is that regardless of what you BELIEVE about homosexuality, there is nothing that shows that homosexuality causes any maladjustment in any OTHER behaviors... exactly what the study found.
    Exactly. IF, if, if. Makes thing so definitive? "In any other behaviors", yet we know there are maladjustments in sexual behavior. Which is back to my question, why is homosexuality the only maladjustment that is considered normal?

    So my original stance was the homosexuality is a mental illness. A maladjustment of sexual desire. You counter with this study. We know there are maladjustments of sexual desire. The study concludes that if it is a maladjustment, then it is one that only affects sexual desire. So how does this study in anyway contradict my original stance?
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet you did...
    Not really and you know it..



    Straw men and mistaken. I never claimed anal sex was normal, it is natural in that it occurs in nature, but that does not mean much. You have yet to use any logic, so whether it would sway me is unknown.

    And your fixation on anal sex is truly disturbing. I thought this was a discussion of homosexuality...

    Well, so what if it happens in "nature"... I think that is a lazy way of arguing. Dude, everything can be said to be natural. Heck why don't you tell me about something that is unnatural to you, and I'll show you how it is I natural. It's a superficial way to argue, and unproductive. YOU know what people generally mean when they say unnatural, but instead choose to be obtuse. Like somehow, you're making an argument that because penis in the old pooper happens, it's natural. Instead why not say, homosexual sex, both female and male, is inconsistent with the observable function of both penis and vagina in accordance with successful procreative sex. Seems easier to say unnatural, eh?





    Oddly, most heterosexual people think about sex frequently, about as frequently as homosexual people. Both are perfectly capable of creating children.
    So what? Ooh, homosexuals think about sex as often as heterosexuals. Gee golly beav, are they thinking about the same kind of sex? Are homosexuals thinking about procreative sex when they're doing all this thinking? You just proved or tacitly acknowledged my point. purposefully obtuseness will always land you in hot water eventually. You just need a skilled debater to bring it out. Really, Dress? You're going to have to do better, bud.



    I am not sure what test tubes and turkey basters have to do with anything except your lack of knowledge about human reproduction.

    Dude that seriously made me laugh out loud. So you're not going to engage that angle then? Why, Dress?





    They do, and have done so throughout history. Long before there where test tubes and turkey basters.

    My gosh really, are you saying that homosexuals can reproduce? I'll be darned.. Like I said, silly goose, the argument is not whether they can reproduce, it's whether it is natural for them to do so.



    Well, my sister and I will be laughing at your assertion we do not exist.


    Great..



    I am very grounded in the real world. I am the one who knows how human reproduction works, who understands the difference between acts and orientation, and does not have this over the top fixation on anal sex.

    So, let's see. Because you challenged forum members to define why homosexuality was/is unnatural, you balk at an explanation using a reference to the dirtiness of anal sex, and that even though it can be observed in nature, is quite rare. In fact, that all animals on the entire Earth will avoid poop on their penis is not enough, you must accuse me of not knowing how human reproduction works, although I have 4 kids, and insinuate that I do not know the difference between orientation and behavior. I contend that you nor anyone else on this forum has ever been able to describe sexual orientation without referring to a specific behavior that confirms the orientation. In other words, Dress, you can't define orientation without a specific reference to a sexual action, whether physical or psychological it does not matter, the mere thought of homosexual sex is exactly like having it, and whether or not they go through with it means diddly squat. It's not enough to say that a sexual orientation is an attraction to that of the same sex, it is specific to include a "sexual" attraction. Otherwise, if you're attracted, well what the hell are you attracted to and or about that person? Go ahead and try, love to see ya attempt that one.


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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Sorry, not really interested in playing with you, little boy. Your "poop" argument is so old, so tired, and so clichéd as to have become boring anymore. I'll tell you what, you come up with some sort of new argument against gay people, one I haven't heard a million times before, and I'll be happy to engage you in a little tête-à-tête. Until then, I'm really not interested.
    Well ok then..


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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not really and you know it..






    Well, so what if it happens in "nature"... I think that is a lazy way of arguing. Dude, everything can be said to be natural. Heck why don't you tell me about something that is unnatural to you, and I'll show you how it is I natural. It's a superficial way to argue, and unproductive. YOU know what people generally mean when they say unnatural, but instead choose to be obtuse. Like somehow, you're making an argument that because penis in the old pooper happens, it's natural. Instead why not say, homosexual sex, both female and male, is inconsistent with the observable function of both penis and vagina in accordance with successful procreative sex. Seems easier to say unnatural, eh?







    So what? Ooh, homosexuals think about sex as often as heterosexuals. Gee golly beav, are they thinking about the same kind of sex? Are homosexuals thinking about procreative sex when they're doing all this thinking? You just proved or tacitly acknowledged my point. purposefully obtuseness will always land you in hot water eventually. You just need a skilled debater to bring it out. Really, Dress? You're going to have to do better, bud.






    Dude that seriously made me laugh out loud. So you're not going to engage that angle then? Why, Dress?








    My gosh really, are you saying that homosexuals can reproduce? I'll be darned.. Like I said, silly goose, the argument is not whether they can reproduce, it's whether it is natural for them to do so.







    Great..






    So, let's see. Because you challenged forum members to define why homosexuality was/is unnatural, you balk at an explanation using a reference to the dirtiness of anal sex, and that even though it can be observed in nature, is quite rare. In fact, that all animals on the entire Earth will avoid poop on their penis is not enough, you must accuse me of not knowing how human reproduction works, although I have 4 kids, and insinuate that I do not know the difference between orientation and behavior. I contend that you nor anyone else on this forum has ever been able to describe sexual orientation without referring to a specific behavior that confirms the orientation. In other words, Dress, you can't define orientation without a specific reference to a sexual action, whether physical or psychological it does not matter, the mere thought of homosexual sex is exactly like having it, and whether or not they go through with it means diddly squat. It's not enough to say that a sexual orientation is an attraction to that of the same sex, it is specific to include a "sexual" attraction. Otherwise, if you're attracted, well what the hell are you attracted to and or about that person? Go ahead and try, love to see ya attempt that one.


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    I would have fun taking this apart piece by piece, but the hockey game is on early this morning so I need to get to sleep, so I will keep my reply to this brief.

    Oh **** that was one painfully stupid post. Not only do you not understand that most gay people do not have anal sex(really, your fixation on anal sex is unreal), but sex acts do not define orientation. Attraction does. This is not rocket surgery. Why you have difficulty with it I do not know.

    And by the way, I challenged people to define "natural" such that it excludes homosexuality. Another detail you got wrong. Good luck with that.
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would have fun taking this apart piece by piece, but the hockey game is on early this morning so I need to get to sleep, so I will keep my reply to this brief.

    Go Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Oh **** that was one painfully stupid post. Not only do you not understand that most gay people do not have anal sex(really, your fixation on anal sex is unreal),

    Oh.. silly me, well then what are they having?



    but sex acts do not define orientation.

    Ah, but it does.. Whether we're thinking about sex or having sex, it makes no difference, and if you think there is a distinction, then please do attempt to describe such a........ notion.



    Attraction does. This is not rocket surgery. Why you have difficulty with it I do not know.

    Well, ok, then what is it that attracts you to a person, and why? What are you attracted too specifically? I'm attracted to my best bud, we've been friends for years, but I never once thought about sticking my penis in his ass, or my mouth. I'm hoping he hasn't either.. LOL



    And by the way, I challenged people to define "natural" such that it excludes homosexuality.


    And this is different to asking someone to define how homosexuality is unnatural, exactly how?


    Another detail you got wrong. Good luck with that.


    No I think you're the one that needs some luck or a better argument, either is cool.


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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

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    Nothing yet huh? again let us know when you can back up your false claim
    You haven't shown me any facts yet. I remain unimpressed.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Exactly. IF, if, if. Makes thing so definitive? "In any other behaviors", yet we know there are maladjustments in sexual behavior. Which is back to my question, why is homosexuality the only maladjustment that is considered normal?

    So my original stance was the homosexuality is a mental illness. A maladjustment of sexual desire. You counter with this study. We know there are maladjustments of sexual desire. The study concludes that if it is a maladjustment, then it is one that only affects sexual desire. So how does this study in anyway contradict my original stance?
    The study completely contradicts your original stance as it shows that regardless of what YOU BELIEVE about homosexuality, there is no evidence that homosexuality in and of itself, causes any problems in any other behaviors. "Other behaviors" include sexual behaviors. So yes, your original stance has been proven wrong.
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