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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I harbor no hatred for them. I've mixed socially with them on many, many occasions, and it's no big deal at all. I really have no dog in this "debate".

    I just find these incessant gay debates purposeless. They aren't being denied anything. They're citizens, they're free, they're often successful, and they live the lives they've chosen to live just fine. Civil unions were long in place.

    But there's an inherent need among the gay community as a whole to constantly be front and center. Just living quietly among the folks simply will not do. And the media, especially Hollywood, is pushing at every corner to make it seem as if they constitute 50 percent of the population, which simply isn't true. It's not normal, as they seem to insist it be taken. It's not illegal, and I certainly don't know anyone personally trying to persecute them in any way.

    Being ignored is the gay activist's Kryptonite. It simply will not do.
    I feel the same way about straight people and Christians. They aren't persecuted, they aren't criminalized. So, as long as they just live quietly and stop talking about the fact that they are straight and/or Christian, I'm fine. Once they open their mouths though, and admit what they are, then I think they deserve to be debated as a "sport."
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Yep, that's the kind of quality response that I've come to expect from you.
    Yawn again. Ho hum.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    There's no such thing as a homosexual person, there's only homosexual acts. Just like there's no such thing as a pot smoker, just people who happen to smoke pot.

    People are people. Just like you can choose to stop smoking pot, you can choose to stop taking cock up the ass. Life is full of choices, but we're all people.

    In other words, you gotta separate the sinner from the sin, you follow?
    Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. There is something to be said for getting same sex attractions exclusively, whether we act on them or not. Ultimately this tactic of yours isn't going to make someone up and change his identity, because it cannot change how they feel. They remain attracted to same sex.

    There's also more to being homosexual than "taking it up the ass." There's commitment, embracing, cuddling, but of course leave it to a phobic to obsess over the one sex act he finds disgusting.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Couldn't be more wrong if you tried. There is something to be said for getting same sex attractions exclusively, whether we act on them or not. Ultimately this tactic of yours isn't going to make someone up and change his identity, because it cannot change how they feel. They remain attracted to same sex.

    There's also more to being homosexual than "taking it up the ass." There's commitment, embracing, cuddling, but of course leave it to a phobic to obsess over the one sex act he finds disgusting.
    Must we resort to name calling? How distasteful.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    LOL right, how else do you explain that millions of people at the time of puberty become attracted to same sex?
    They were never attracted to the same sex; they were merely attracted to specific physical attributes that were found more in either males or females.

    And the two statements NOT equivalent. To be attracted to a specific sex (i. e. biological gender) entails an a priori exclusion of members of the other sex from one's sex life, and that isn't natural; there's scant evidence of any non-human species restricting itself to mating w/members of only one gender or the other. In other words, although there's clear evidence of homo- and heterosexuality in nature, there's no evidence of gay or straight animals.

    Furthermore, while certain visible (or tactile) traits may be more prevalent in one gender than another, the large no. of humans on earth practically guarantees that any combination of attributes that one may find attractive are likely to be found in at least one member of both genders, hence eliminating the possibility that one could be either gay or straight, since those classifications imply a total ban on mating w/either a different or same gender.

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    What exactly in that process is unnatural?
    See above.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    There's also more to being homosexual than "taking it up the ass."
    He totally forgot about the dancing.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I harbor no hatred for them. I've mixed socially with them on many, many occasions, and it's no big deal at all. I really have no dog in this "debate".

    I just find these incessant gay debates purposeless. They aren't being denied anything. They're citizens, they're free, they're often successful, and they live the lives they've chosen to live just fine. Civil unions were long in place.

    But there's an inherent need among the gay community as a whole to constantly be front and center. Just living quietly among the folks simply will not do. And the media, especially Hollywood, is pushing at every corner to make it seem as if they constitute 50 percent of the population, which simply isn't true. It's not normal, as they seem to insist it be taken. It's not illegal, and I certainly don't know anyone personally trying to persecute them in any way.

    Being ignored is the gay activist's Kryptonite. It simply will not do.
    You know that there are currently 3 states with bills in their legislature specifically allowing anyone to deny services, including government services, to gays. Yeah, silence is clearly what gays need right now.

    Why couldn't things be like the good old days when gays had to keep silent for fear of violence and couldn't unite to air their grievances?
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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Must we resort to name calling? How distasteful.
    Something must have rubbed me the wrong way in this comment: "There's no such thing as a homosexual person."

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Why do you give a crap who she dates? Unless, of course, your just upset that she won't date you.
    I don't care at all. And I'm too ugly for her. However, artificially restricting one's sexuality to mating exclusively w/only one gender (i. e. labeling oneself as either "gay" or "straight" is unhealthy.

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    re: Actress Ellen Page: "I am gay"[W:1222]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Something must have rubbed me the wrong way in this comment: "There's no such thing as a homosexual person."
    Because there is no such thing as a homosexual person, just as there's no such thing as a straight person.

    There's merely homosexual and heterosexual behavior, both of which are natural and healthy, but are the result of an instinctual--but not necessarily genetic--fixation (either masculine or feminine) on a specific set of visible/tactile attributes, NOT a fixation toward a specific gender.

    If I found someone whose gender is opposite yours that had all the physical and emotional attributes to which you're attracted, then you'd be attracted to him/her.

    To claim otherwise would only mean the criteria in that "if" is not met, i. e. there's at least one attribute missing or that you find distasteful that's causing you to be unattracted to him/her.

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