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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

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:roll: The only corruption that happened during this situation was what these politicians displayed. The union did not do anything corrupt. What happens in PA has no bearings in TN no matter what slippery slope you are trying to make.
Unions by their very nature are corrupt.
 
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Oh, right sure they are.
A Labor Union is merely a legalized labor cartel limiting available labor to artificially force up the price of labor. They only work where a business or entity has little or no competition. When there is competition there is fail.
 
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A Labor Union is merely a legalized labor cartel limiting available labor to artificially force up the price of labor. They only work where a business or entity has little or no competition. When there is competition there is fail.

Strange, when I lived in the south, there were no labor unions in the local grocery chains I shopped. All three of them in my area. Where I live now, there are six major grocery stores where the union is present in at least one of them. I believe another the meat cutters are organized. Anyway, ironically your point is incorrect.
 
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your right the workers paid 0 attention to either person. the main reason that was given is that the workers saw what happened to the detroit big 3 under the UAW. they didnt' want
the same thing happening to their own plant. they like their jobs and VW pays them well.

the only reason that corker is even mentioned is that fact that liberals need something to blame other than the failure of the UAW to show it can build strong unions and strong companies.

pretty much what I had thought, the "auto bailouts" were all Detroit based. I find conflicting info if they were successful or not.
I can't rely on any sources anymore for anything; everything is politicized
>end rant<
 
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Strange, when I lived in the south, there were no labor unions in the local grocery chains I shopped. All three of them in my area. Where I live now, there are six major grocery stores where the union is present in at least one of them. I believe another the meat cutters are organized. Anyway, ironically your point is incorrect.

Not really.

You're just too blind to the Union = Good and you refuse to see the reality of the situation. Take public Education, it's a ****ing unmitigated disaster. And part of that is the Teachers Unions. If we really gave a **** about our children the first thing we'd do is ban the Teachers Unions. But we don't. And we tell ourselves our SCHOOL is
different, but let's be honest about it, you cannot fire a bad teach, the people working there are morons and the best TEACHERS are rare, like ****ing unicorns. With Rainbow farts.
 
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Not really.

You're just too blind to the Union = Good and you refuse to see the reality of the situation. Take public Education, it's a ****ing unmitigated disaster. And part of that is the Teachers Unions. If we really gave a **** about our children the first thing we'd do is ban the Teachers Unions. But we don't. And we tell ourselves our SCHOOL is
different, but let's be honest about it, you cannot fire a bad teach, the people working there are morons and the best TEACHERS are rare, like ****ing unicorns. With Rainbow farts.

Oh right, every school should be like North Carolina where teacher unions are effectively banned because places like MA have the worse educational systems! Very convincing.
 
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Oh right, every school should be like North Carolina where teacher unions are effectively banned because places like MA have the worse educational systems! Very convincing.
Dude, you're a lackey, for Union FAIL. Sure, initial they help the "little guy" but the longe rht unions exists the worse it gets. Look at the Pension mess Cali, Detroit and hell most municipalities face! Why? Because the UNIONS got friendly politicians elected, who wrote "Super good" pensions into law and now the people are stuck paying for **** that they cannot afford. GM and Chevrolet had to be BAILED OUT because of the crap the Unions did.

Irresponsible "Worry bout now, **** the future" that's Unions.
 
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Dude, you're a lackey, for Union FAIL. Sure, initial they help the "little guy" but the longe rht unions exists the worse it gets. Look at the Pension mess Cali, Detroit and hell most municipalities face! Why? Because the UNIONS got friendly politicians elected, who wrote "Super good" pensions into law and now the people are stuck paying for **** that they cannot afford. GM and Chevrolet had to be BAILED OUT because of the crap the Unions did.

Irresponsible "Worry bout now, **** the future" that's Unions.

So, your going to keep moving the goal post? First, teacher unions are bad because they produce bad educational systems. When that fails, go for problems largely caused by the market meltdown. Prior to that, the systems that weren't corrupted, were quite fine. Of course, none of that has to do with private unions anyway, but why hold back on a good rant?
 
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Strange, when I lived in the south, there were no labor unions in the local grocery chains I shopped. All three of them in my area. Where I live now, there are six major grocery stores where the union is present in at least one of them. I believe another the meat cutters are organized. Anyway, ironically your point is incorrect.

I have the opposite down here.. Grocery markets used to be all union - Jewel and Dominicks the two largest. Non-union shops started opening.. Dominicks (after nearly 100 years) just went out of business and Jewel (over 100 years) has been sold a few times over the past few years and is really havening problems. The non-union shops that opened up are eating them alive.
 
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I have the opposite down here.. Grocery markets used to be all union - Jewel and Dominicks the two largest. Non-union shops started opening.. Dominicks (after nearly 100 years) just went out of business and Jewel has been sold a few times over the past few years and is really havening problems. The non-union shops that opened up are eating them alive.

How many chains do you have in a county limit?
 
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How many chains do you have in a county limit?

Geeze... I can only count and hope I'm close... probably 9 within driving distance of me.. Counting Walmart and Target - both sell grocerys. I remember Cub Foods opening probably 30 years ago...

They were the first ones in the area to really fight back against the unions. They had union emplyoees.. But they didn't have any baggers, because they didn't want to pay the union bagger wages. So the customers all had to bag their own groceries. They left our market after a few years...

But they were quickly replaced by stores opening without any unions.. that could keep costs lower. The non-union stores kept taking market share from the 2 dominant (named in the prior post) until Dominicks tried to get a new contract with the union 5 years ago or so.. The union wouldn't cooperate.. Dominicks kept looking for a buyer... no one was interested due to the union problems and costs... and finally they closed right after Christmas. Jewel is really on the ropes too.. Even though my wife currently works there.
 
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Geeze... I can only count and hope I'm close... probably 9 within driving distance of me.. Counting Walmart and Target - both sell grocerys.

I didn't count Walmart or Target so we are about even. When I lived in Chattanooga, the only two stores in my area (besides Walmart) were BiLo and Food Lion. Lacking competition limited the items that were available ( crap selection) and limited savings for pricing wars. Now, I can't wait for my flyers because there's nothing these grocery stores won't do to compete against each other. The best part, is I'm not supplementing the workers wages. Due to the unionized store, the other stores keep their wages and working conditions good for the other workers to keep the union out. That means everyone wins. The workers make good pay. The community doesn't have to pay higher taxes to supplement workers food stamps and public resources aren't being depleted. Consumers get choice and super prices. All stakeholders benefit!
 
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I didn't count Walmart or Target so we are about even. When I lived in Chattanooga, the only two stores in my area (besides Walmart) were BiLo and Food Lion. Lacking competition limited the items that were available ( crap selection) and limited savings for pricing wars. Now, I can't wait for my flyers because there's nothing these grocery stores won't do to compete against each other. The best part, is I'm not supplementing the workers wages. Due to the unionized store, the other stores keep their wages and working conditions good for the other workers to keep the union out. That means everyone wins. The workers make good pay. The community doesn't have to pay higher taxes to supplement workers food stamps and public resources aren't being depleted. Consumers get choice and super prices. All stakeholders benefit!

I personally think they make too much. It makes it impossible for them to complete with the non-union or even just younger stores who don't have the large legacy costs. A cashier who has been with jewel for a while is well over 20 per hour, pushed to $30 on Sundays, then add in profit sharing and 401k and benefits... That's insane, IMO, for someone to push a can over a scanner.

I used to walk into Dominicks for a specific item, just to walk out empty handed shaking my head at their costs. They had little choice on the cost issue.. They had a lot of people they had to pay.
 
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I personally think they make too much. It makes it impossible for them to complete with the non-union or even just younger stores who don't have the large legacy costs. A cashier who has been with jewel for a while is well over 20 per hour, pushed to $30 on Sundays, then add in profit sharing and 401k and benefits... That's insane, IMO, for someone to push a can over a scanner.

I used to walk into Dominicks for a specific item, just to walk out empty handed shaking my head at their costs. They had little choice on the cost issue.. They had a lot of people they had to pay.

Well, it certainly can be done as seen in my area. Even nonunion grocery stores have trouble and go under or get swallowed up by other chains. It's not a union problem but how chains can buy up and put others under. Union stores are pushed to think outside the box in order to compete and stay in business. That's the way all stores should work. Not under the race to the bottom model! That doesn't benefit communities in the long run.
 
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Well, it certainly can be done as seen in my area. Even nonunion grocery stores have trouble and go under or get swallowed up by other chains. It's not a union problem but how chains can buy up and put others under. Union stores are pushed to think outside the box in order to compete and stay in business. That's the way all stores should work. Not under the race to the bottom model! That doesn't benefit communities in the long run.

I believe you said there was one unionized grocery store in your area... What's the name of the chain?
 
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Stop & Shop

Thank you. sounds like they had some contentious negotiations with the union a few years ago.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Thank you. sounds like they had some contentious negotiations with the union a few years ago.

You're welcome. My nephew is a meat cutter there and loves it. They did have some problems they worked out when they had the changing of the guards. I don't know the specifics.
 
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You're welcome. My nephew is a meat cutter there and loves it. They did have some problems they worked out when they had the changing of the guards. I don't know the specifics.

Even the union stores here (Dominicks and Jewel) got rid of the meat cutters unions long ago. They made some serious bank, from what I understand. Now they outsource most of the cutting to non-union cutters.
 
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Thank you. sounds like they had some contentious negotiations with the union a few years ago.

yep because they are in financial trouble. they can't keep up with all the payments and pensions. they will probably go under.
you can't pay a cashier 20/30 bucks an hour and be able to keep prices affordable same as a bag boy. those positions just don't qualify for that type of pay.

so when these guys lose their job I wonder how the union will help them then.
 
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Even the union stores here (Dominicks and Jewel) got rid of the meat cutters unions long ago. They made some serious bank, from what I understand. Now they outsource most of the cutting to non-union cutters.

Stop & Shop is fully unionized. Not just the meat cutters.
 
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yep because they are in financial trouble. they can't keep up with all the payments and pensions. they will probably go under.
you can't pay a cashier 20/30 bucks an hour and be able to keep prices affordable same as a bag boy. those positions just don't qualify for that type of pay.

so when these guys lose their job I wonder how the union will help them then.

Stop & Shop is not in financial trouble.
 
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Stop & Shop is not in financial trouble.

I truly don't know if they are or not. They are owned by a dutch company, which makes it difficult to locate financial info on them... But this is normally not a positive sign:

Stop & Shop Supermarket Co. Discloses Plans to Close Six Stop & Shop Stores and Three Gas Stations in New Hampshire

Aug 7 13

Stop & Shop Supermarket Co. disclosed its plans to close its six Stop & Shop stores and three gas stations in New Hampshire because they are not achieving performance goals. The closings are scheduled to occur on or before September 21, 2013. The stores are located in Bedford, Hudson, Exeter, Milford, and Manchester.
 
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