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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

No, he's desperate. Did he ever say who this mysterious person was:lol:

He doesn't need to. The VW exec who said it no doubt would prefer to remain anonymous. Besides, we'll know know the truth of the matter in a few weeks.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

He doesn't need to. The VW exec who said it no doubt would prefer to remain anonymous. Besides, we'll know know the truth of the matter in a few weeks.

Oh, first you said that I was most likely the one lying about what Corker said. I presented the evidence and now it was more likely VW who lied which makes no logical sense. Corker clearly is the one who had no interest in the union. Even Will B. admitted that in your OP.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Oh, first you said that I was most likely the one lying about what Corker said. I presented the evidence and now it was more likely VW who lied which makes no logical sense. Corker clearly is the one who had no interest in the union. Even Will B. admitted that in your OP.

As I have posted from the beginning, VW is playing a complex game to protect both their good political/union relations in Germany and their union-free flexibility in the US. That is consistent with everything that has happened and with Corker's statement.:peace
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Right, because Corker would never do that;)

We all know that Politicians lie, from the top on down,, but on something like that...No. His only fault may have been in preempting a statement that VW was planning on making soon, though, but that's for he and the VW people to work out. It has nothing to do with the way the workers at VW voted, since they already have jobs, and that vote was very carefully watched by both sides! I think it's time for the finger-pointing to stop.

Greetings, rabbitcaebannog. :2wave:
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

As I have posted from the beginning, VW is playing a complex game to protect both their good political/union relations in Germany and their union-free flexibility in the US. That is consistent with everything that has happened and with Corker's statement.:peace

Still doesn't make sense because the company still wants to have relations with the union. If they didn't want to, they could call it a day after the vote. The Germans have a very different relationship with unions than the US. They are not suddenly going to turn anti union because Norquist said the Dems will take their guns away.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

We all know that Politicians lie, from the top on down,, but on something like that...No. His only fault may have been in preempting a statement that VW was planning on making soon, though, but that's for he and the VW people to work out. It has nothing to do with the way the workers at VW voted, since they already have jobs, and that vote was very carefully watched by both sides! I think it's time for the finger-pointing to stop.

Greetings, rabbitcaebannog. :2wave:

Hi Polgara, I'm going to have disagree. I believe the motive has to do with Corker being coached by the lobby that feeds him (Norquist and friends) because they are very anti labor.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Still doesn't make sense because the company still wants to have relations with the union. If they didn't want to, they could call it a day after the vote. The Germans have a very different relationship with unions than the US. They are not suddenly going to turn anti union because Norquist said the Dems will take their guns away.

They moved to a right to work state specifically to secure non-union flexibility. Their position in Germany requires that they adopt an overtly pro-union posture in TN. That does not in any way mean that is their true preference. I think Corker knows them better than you do.:peace
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

They moved to a right to work state specifically to secure non-union flexibility. Their position in Germany requires that they adopt an overtly pro-union posture in TN. That does not in any way mean that is their true preference. I think Corker knows them better than you do.:peace

More likely they moved to TN because they offered them money. That good old "free market" handout that the Republicans claim to be against.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Oh and here's my proof they offered them money to relocate, "VW received $577 million in tax breaks and other incentives to locate in Chattanooga".
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

More likely they moved to TN because they offered them money. That good old "free market" handout that the Republicans claim to be against.

It's an investment in the TN tax base. The TN plant expansion will be announced in a month to six weeks. VW will announce they would have welcomed the UAW to help, but they have to proceed alone.:peace
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

It's an investment in the TN tax base. The TN plant expansion will be announced in a month to six weeks. VW will announce they would have welcomed the UAW to help, but they have to proceed alone.:peace

Um, no. In my book giving money with strings attached is called a bribe.

bribe
brīb/
verb
1.
persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Um, no. In my book giving money with strings attached is called a bribe.

bribe
brīb/
verb
1.
persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.

Again, good for you. You're entitled to your opinion.:peace
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Um, no. In my book giving money with strings attached is called a bribe.

bribe
brīb/
verb
1.
persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.

there is nothing illegal or dishonest about offering incentives for companies to move into an area. so no it wouldn't be a bride and cities and states do it all the time in order to get businesses to move in.

why? because the amount of tax revenue that they will generate off the jobs usually exceeds the initial investment. not to mention people are happy with new work coming into the area.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Hi Polgara, I'm going to have disagree. I believe the motive has to do with Corker being coached by the lobby that feeds him (Norquist and friends) because they are very anti labor.

Only one problem with that...he doesn't speak for VW, and as far as I know, neither does Norquist and friends. Their money isn't going to pay for any expansion VW may have in mind. I have to stand by my belief that he may have spoken out of turn on privileged information, but we don't know that. That's a hazard in business I am very familiar with, since that information was undoubtedly very interesting to their competitors! Of that I have no doubt!
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

there is nothing illegal or dishonest about offering incentives for companies to move into an area. so no it wouldn't be a bride and cities and states do it all the time in order to get businesses to move in.

why? because the amount of tax revenue that they will generate off the jobs usually exceeds the initial investment. not to mention people are happy with new work coming into the area.

The key part is with strings attached. That is a bribe.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Only one problem with that...he doesn't speak for VW, and as far as I know, neither does Norquist and friends. Their money isn't going to pay for any expansion VW may have in mind. I have to stand by my belief that he may have spoken out of turn on privileged information, but we don't know that. That's a hazard in business I am very familiar with, since that information was undoubtedly very interesting to their competitors! Of that I have no doubt!

He doesn't have to speak for VW to lie about them. His motive was to influence the people who were getting ready to vote to think it would be best not to vote for the union which is unethical.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

The key part is with strings attached. That is a bribe.

you are wrong. all states put in bids for companies to build in their area.
you can continue to believe this but then again you are believing an untruth.

there are no strings attached at all. they will give X tax breaks if they come here. it is called a contract.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

He doesn't have to speak for VW to lie about them. His motive was to influence the people who were getting ready to vote to think it would be best not to vote for the union which is unethical.

which is no different than the union promising all these benefits that they have absolutely no way of getting unless the company gives into the demands, or they lie about contracts in order to get their workers to strike. yea that isn't unethical at all :roll:
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

which is no different than the union promising all these benefits that they have absolutely no way of getting unless the company gives into the demands, or they lie about contracts in order to get their workers to strike. yea that isn't unethical at all :roll:

The union can't offer benefits until negotiated.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

He doesn't have to speak for VW to lie about them. His motive was to influence the people who were getting ready to vote to think it would be best not to vote for the union which is unethical.

If true, you are correct. We'll apparently know soon what the truth is, since I have heard nothing either way from VW. If they get tax incentives from the state for expansion, that is a common practice, as Ludin pointed out in his post #367. It does benefit people who would like to have a good job, so I have no problem with that, and it is legally done everywhere.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

you are wrong. all states put in bids for companies to build in their area.
you can continue to believe this but then again you are believing an untruth.

there are no strings attached at all. they will give X tax breaks if they come here. it is called a contract.

Yes, there were strings attached. "Two Republican members of the state Legislature said VW would have a difficult time getting more state incentive money if the workers vote to unionize. "
 
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