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Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

So you ignore the recent history of polluted water in RED states due to deregulation as a proven fact.
When you are able to post on what I write instead of repititious lies about my posts as DNC ads, let me know .
Out of the hundreds of thousands of regulations can you tell us which regulation were eliminated? And who eliminated them? How was it done? I want to encourage whoever did it to keep it up until the people are once again free from a vast, meddlesome, federal bureaucracy.
 
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My source had a link to their source that was the same source that you used. And it seems you had a problem with my source using your source.

I and they (UnionFacts) happen to actually followed the links and researched.

The numbers I posted are correct and they come from the same source you used, OpenSecrets.

It just happens UnionFacts and I went further than you did. You only looked at one election cycle, 2012.


UAW CONTRIBUTIONS:

$45,890,871
since 1990 LOBBYING

$31,373,201
since 1998

United Auto Workers: Summary | OpenSecrets

Your source is BS. Even you're not sure what they include and what they don't
 
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Volkswagen does not fear unions. They work very well with unions in Germany. Its the Republicans and the South that fear the boogeyman.

Volkswagen: Union vote won't affect U.S. plans

the VW hasn't worked with the UAW. unions in europe are way different than here. over there they have work councils that deal between management and workers.
UAW is just out to collect more dues. they are already asking their current members to raise the membership dues this year.

maybe if the union bosses weren't pay 500k a year or more they would have more money.

the biggest hitch is that the workers there saw what the UAW did to the big 3 and wanted no part of it.
 
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Out of the hundreds of thousands of regulations can you tell us which regulation were eliminated? And who eliminated them? How was it done? I want to encourage whoever did it to keep it up until the people are once again free from a vast, meddlesome federal bureaucracy.

he is saying that the inspectors were paid not to inspect the plant.

of course i want to know why the union people running the plant didn't say something was wrong and why they were dumping ash into the river or in the case of WV why no one notice a tank dumping 5k pounds of chemicals.
 
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A bottomless pit of whining. Why not just let the workers the plant decide for themselves? That's all that happened here.:peace

It's possible that a lot of the workers at the Tennessee plant used to have jobs up North, possibly in Detroit. When those jobs left, they migrated to the Southern States for work. Apparently the workers feel VW is treating them fairly, and they don't need a union to represent them at this time. In the meantime they are working and making money, and that's important to them. If things change, the union is still there, and nothing says they can't have another vote later.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:
 
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he is saying that the inspectors were paid not to inspect the plant.

of course i want to know why the union people running the plant didn't say something was wrong and why they were dumping ash into the river or in the case of WV why no one notice a tank dumping 5k pounds of chemicals.
I believe he said this was due to deregulation.

I want to know how someone managed to get rid of a regulation so that tens of thousands of us can go after all the rest of the regulations that are still on the law books.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

It's possible that a lot of the workers at the Tennessee plant used to have jobs up North, possibly in Detroit. When those jobs left, they migrated to the Southern States for work. Apparently the workers feel VW is treating them fairly, and they don't need a union to represent them at this time. In the meantime they are working and making money, and that's important to them. If things change, the union is still there, and nothing says they can't have another vote later.

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I doubt most of the workers came from anywhere but TN. I also doubt the UAW will ever again come as close to winning as they did this time.:peace
Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

This is a good thing, as UAW plants tend to shut down, and despite the lefts recent spin-jobs and productivity are good things.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

This is a good thing, as UAW plants tend to shut down, and despite the lefts recent spin-jobs and productivity are good things.

I don't want to see anyone lose their job. the problem is that the UAW along with other unions have pushed companies away from dealing with them.
their constant demand for more more more with no regard to the global economy is what has killed them.

it costs an US auto plant 70 dollars an hour to pay for 1 union worker.
it costs the same foreign plant 60 dollars or so. the reason? pension mostly.

US plants continue to run up huge legacy costs on pensions while their counter-parts are smart and went with good matching 401k's.
 
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UAW: Political interference for me but not for thee.



1.6 million to Democrats and 1 thousand for Republicans in 2012 Congressional elections: United Auto Workers: Recipients | OpenSecrets
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

I don't want to see anyone lose their job. the problem is that the UAW along with other unions have pushed companies away from dealing with them.
their constant demand for more more more with no regard to the global economy is what has killed them.

it costs an US auto plant 70 dollars an hour to pay for 1 union worker.
it costs the same foreign plant 60 dollars or so. the reason? pension mostly.

US plants continue to run up huge legacy costs on pensions while their counter-parts are smart and went with good matching 401k's.

I dont want to see anyone lose their jobs either, as you noted these companies will just move to less expensive plants in the US and elsewhere.
EVERY plant to shut down has been a union plant, and the trend continues. Unions are toxic to jobs.
 
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I dont want to see anyone lose their jobs either, as you noted these companies will just move to less expensive plants in the US and elsewhere.
EVERY plant to shut down has been a union plant, and the trend continues. Unions are toxic to jobs.

some of the local union and in state items are fine. they ensure that workers are paid correctly and work it out with management to ensure a viable existence of labor and management.
it is the big national unions that cause most of the issues.

the reason is that their operating costs are so high that they are running out of money while paying big fat checks to union bosses. I find it funny that these guys are suppose to be for the working man while making 300k+ a year. that comes from YOUR paycheck.

so while you make strike pay of 25 a week they are getting full checks. the only reason your on strike is because they talked you into it or the majority of people into it.

it is the national labor guys that you have to watch out for.
 
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I believe the law is the company can not be the one to have set up the council/union. Which generally means it has to be administered by an outside organization. Imagine paying dues to a union that is controlled by the company you are working for. I expect it arose from the company towns that the US used to have

Why do you have to pay dues to anyone in a "work council" set-up? All the employees have to do is have a meeting, vote for representatives, inform the company's representatives, set up meetings and meet. Employees can filter concerns through their representatives and the company through theirs. Should be no significant costs to such an arrangement - the company can provided coffee and donuts, etc.

Unions and union dues seem to be generated now to wine and dine and pay the union executive, hold negotiations in posh hotels and convention centers, send union executives to Vegas and other locals for conferences, pay high priced labour lawyers, set aside some cash for meager strike pay, and most importantly of all establish slush funds to front politicians who do their bidding in municipal, state, and federal government. It's why unions are so out of favour these days.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

some of the local union and in state items are fine. they ensure that workers are paid correctly and work it out with management to ensure a viable existence of labor and management.
it is the big national unions that cause most of the issues.

the reason is that their operating costs are so high that they are running out of money while paying big fat checks to union bosses. I find it funny that these guys are suppose to be for the working man while making 300k+ a year. that comes from YOUR paycheck.

so while you make strike pay of 25 a week they are getting full checks. the only reason your on strike is because they talked you into it or the majority of people into it.

it is the national labor guys that you have to watch out for.

Your information is very dishonest. We are not talking about union heads for wealthy athletes and stars, the subject is UAW. According to Publicintegrity.org, The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earn over $200,000 a year. Ronald Gettelfinger, who resigned as UAW president in 2010, was paid $173,065 in salary and benefits. " Saying benefits are around 30% of a persons compensation, his salary isn't unheard of for his position.
 
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Why do you have to pay dues to anyone in a "work council" set-up? All the employees have to do is have a meeting, vote for representatives, inform the company's representatives, set up meetings and meet. Employees can filter concerns through their representatives and the company through theirs. Should be no significant costs to such an arrangement - the company can provided coffee and donuts, etc.

Unions and union dues seem to be generated now to wine and dine and pay the union executive, hold negotiations in posh hotels and convention centers, send union executives to Vegas and other locals for conferences, pay high priced labour lawyers, set aside some cash for meager strike pay, and most importantly of all establish slush funds to front politicians who do their bidding in municipal, state, and federal government. It's why unions are so out of favour these days.

You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!
 
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You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!

Except thats not true, rather they defend incompetent or dangerous employees and union plants are the ONLY ones closing down.

Theres a reason unions are on the decline.
 
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Except thats not true, rather they defend incompetent or dangerous employees and union plants are the ONLY ones closing down.

Theres a reason unions are on the decline.

Why do you think conservatives like the Kochs and Norquist want to weaken unions and spend tons of money doing it? They don't want labors voice competing against their own when it comes to policy. It's quite simple.
 
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Your information is very dishonest. We are not talking about union heads for wealthy athletes and stars, the subject is UAW. According to Publicintegrity.org, The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earn over $200,000 a year. Ronald Gettelfinger, who resigned as UAW president in 2010, was paid $173,065 in salary and benefits. " Saying benefits are around 30% of a persons compensation, his salary isn't unheard of for his position.

it isn't dishonest at all. why is the head of a labor union getting paid more than the people he represents. more so his wages come at the expense of the people that he is suppose to be fighting for.
 
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You mean unions use part of their dues to effect legislation in favor of workers? How horrible!

except they don't always and their workers might not agree with the people that they are supporting. it has become a huge contention for union dues.
there is a difference in a union representing their workers to the company and then spending dues on candidates that they members might not support.
 
Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

Why do you think conservatives like the Kochs and Norquist want to weaken unions and spend tons of money doing it? They don't want labors voice competing against their own when it comes to policy. It's quite simple.

Yeah its conspiracy. :roll:

The fact that unions have been in decline for decades is immaterial, im sure.
 
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it isn't dishonest at all. why is the head of a labor union getting paid more than the people he represents. more so his wages come at the expense of the people that he is suppose to be fighting for.

Name me an organization that doesn't pay the president differently than those who work under him/her. Good luck.
 
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except they don't always and their workers might not agree with the people that they are supporting. it has become a huge contention for union dues.
there is a difference in a union representing their workers to the company and then spending dues on candidates that they members might not support.

Spending money on candidates is the name of the game when it comes to politics and policies. Conservatives will stop at nothing to try and eliminate labors' voice.
 
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Yeah its conspiracy. :roll:

The fact that unions have been in decline for decades is immaterial, im sure.

It's not a conspiracy, it is reality. The amount of money being poured in for anti union policies is huge. It's to uneven the playing field.
 
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Spending money on candidates is the name of the game when it comes to politics and policies. Conservatives will stop at nothing to try and eliminate labors' voice.

if the people in the union don't like the people that the money is going to then why should they have to support it with part of their union dues.
 
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It's not a conspiracy, it is reality. The amount of money being poured in for anti union policies is huge. It's to uneven the playing field.

then why is it union shops that are having so much trouble compared to others? the amount of money being poured in is nothing compared to the money that unions are spending to try and get people to join.

the fact is people aren't interested in joining a union. the people in TN saw the destruction that the UAW caused on the American car companies and that seemed to be the number 1 reason they voted against it.

others want a work council but don't want the UAW involved.
 
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