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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    every time the word "union" comes up, be it it public or private, you all swarm in and start bashing labor.

    i'm not for giving unions everything they want and choking companies to death. however, i'm also not for depressed wages and low job security, either. i don't want my kid to grow up in a world where it's "good job, you're fired, independent contractor," and multiple part time jobs with ****ty wages and ****tier hours. that's where we're going. for some of us, that's where we're at. the balance of power between employer and employee is very skewed right now, and needs a correction. labor organization is the best way to get there.

    It's not skewed. Where do you get such ludicrous ideas?
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'In a stinging defeat that could accelerate the decades-long decline of the United Auto Workers, employees voted against union representation at Volkswagen AG's Chattanooga, Tennessee plant,
    ****ing idiots! If they are that stupid then I really don't have much sympathy for them.

    The same thing with Walmart workers.

    If they refuse to help themselves and unionize then why the hell should I give a damn about them when those companies abuse them?
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Chevy's job bank where they would pay people who did nothing all day full wages and benefits, and pensions for sitting in a room for 4 hours watching tv and playing cards was one of the reasons that chevy was going under.
    i don't support unions becoming too powerful or demanding unreasonable benefits. i support worker organization to help them to sell their labor at the best price. right now, the scale is tipped completely to the employer's side. i'd like to see a more equitable balance.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    No job should be considered secure. your job security depends on your ability to produce. if you are not producing why should you keep your job?
    this is not the truth. i have lost jobs in which i was a top performer simply because i was an independent contractor, and the contract just ended. in reality. i was a full time employee, and was promised a transition to a full time job. when they pulled the rug out from under me, i had no recourse.

    others without significant education have it even worse. they can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all. it's fine if businesses want to try to operate that way, but unions are going to be the natural response.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not skewed. Where do you get such ludicrous ideas?
    it is skewed. we've gone from a national economy to a global economy, and technology is causing us to enter a post-labor economy. union membership is way down, wages have stagnated, and the job supply has increasingly become low wage part time work. the balance of power is absolutely skewed towards the employer. if you're an average American, there are probably three people waiting in line for your job right now.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    I don't know the answer and I'm hoping someone will be able to help clarify or tell me why I'm wrong.

    If I'm not mistaken, your constitution or bill of rights protects a citizen's right of freedom of assembly or freedom of association. Since this is identified as a human right and a civil liberty, why is it constitutional for a law to be created that bans "work councils" of employees in businesses unless those work councils have union oversight?

    Seems to me that if you have to have a certified union in order to create and participate in a work council as envisioned by VW and active in VW plants world wide, that is on its face abusing the civil liberty and human rights of the workers who aren't unionized.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They are the #'s you posted. Obviously, you believe those #'s are credible even though you don't even know what those #'s represent
    My source had a link to their source that was the same source that you used. And it seems you had a problem with my source using your source.

    I and they (UnionFacts) happen to actually followed the links and researched.

    The numbers I posted are correct and they come from the same source you used, OpenSecrets.

    It just happens UnionFacts and I went further than you did. You only looked at one election cycle, 2012.


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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'In a stinging defeat that could accelerate the decades-long decline of the United Auto Workers, employees voted against union representation at Volkswagen AG's Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, which had been seen as organized labor's best chance to expand in the U.S. South.

    Retired Tennessee Circuit Court Judge Sam Payne, who oversaw the count, said workers voted against UAW representation by 712 to 626.'

    Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat | Reuters
    not surprising,the japanese and german automakers pay fairly good wages to american workers..i know alot of workers for the japanese companies in the south arent union,and dont really want them.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't know the answer and I'm hoping someone will be able to help clarify or tell me why I'm wrong.

    If I'm not mistaken, your constitution or bill of rights protects a citizen's right of freedom of assembly or freedom of association. Since this is identified as a human right and a civil liberty, why is it constitutional for a law to be created that bans "work councils" of employees in businesses unless those work councils have union oversight?

    Seems to me that if you have to have a certified union in order to create and participate in a work council as envisioned by VW and active in VW plants world wide, that is on its face abusing the civil liberty and human rights of the workers who aren't unionized.
    I believe the law is the company can not be the one to have set up the council/union. Which generally means it has to be administered by an outside organization. Imagine paying dues to a union that is controlled by the company you are working for. I expect it arose from the company towns that the US used to have
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'In a stinging defeat that could accelerate the decades-long decline of the United Auto Workers, employees voted against union representation at Volkswagen AG's Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, which had been seen as organized labor's best chance to expand in the U.S. South.

    Retired Tennessee Circuit Court Judge Sam Payne, who oversaw the count, said workers voted against UAW representation by 712 to 626.'

    Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat | Reuters
    Excellent news. Made my day.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We need to impeach Sen. Corker and Gov. Haslam who lied about what VW represented.
    VW had to correct Corker's and Haslam's lies several times.
    It is okay for the KOCH brothers to dump tens of millions of secret monies, while GOP posters fret over Unions.

    And it's okay for Duke Energy to dump tens of millions of pounds of coal-ash in NC waters.
    McCrory is the next dirty GOP governor ready to get raked over the coals, literally.
    The good people of the South are only a decade away from rising up against this GOP politburo to save their environment and way of living .
    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    A decade ago, this vote would not have even taken place.
    That it was this close shows how close the workers are to being freed from the GOP Gulags.

    That a United States Senator had to intervene and lie his A$$ off about VW shows how desperate the GOP is.
    VW corrected Corker several times and you didn't notice Sen. Alexander saying anything, since he is up for reelection.

    That Grover Norquist had to be called in to buy up billboards replacing the word AUTO with OBAMA in UAW should remind DEMs just how low the
    GOP will go to maintain their death grip once a right-to-work status is determined.

    The GOP has now given the DEMs plenty of new material here.
    It is now up to the DEMs to use it wisely and go-for-the-throat, as the GOP has just done .
    A bottomless pit of whining. Why not just let the workers the plant decide for themselves? That's all that happened here.
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