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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    UAW Political spending:

    Political Spending
    Federal Election Donations, by Party

    Donations to Democrats
    $50,725,777 (96%)
    Donations to Republicans
    $1,718,982 (3%)

    Source: Federal Elections Commission by way of the Center for Responsive Politics
    That's strange. According to OpenSecrets, the UAW gave less than $14 million in 2012 in the Presidential race.

    Labor: Top Contributors to Federal Candidates, Parties, and Outside Groups | OpenSecrets

    And only $15 million total in 2012

    United Auto Workers: Summary | OpenSecrets
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The outsourcing is because the cost of doing business here is too high. Things like UNIONS, TAXES, REGULATIONS.... things the GOP stands not for. So you're helplessly, as usual, wrong here.
    Lie! The company still wants to pursue forming it's council with the UAW. Not all business models think cheap labor churn and burn is necessarily a good business model since VW makes it clear it is paramount to include labor in determining business decisions. Good for them! This may be the change we need.

    HAMBURG/BERLIN (Reuters) - Volkswagen's works council said it would press on with efforts to set up labor representation at its Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, undeterred by a workers' vote against any such step involving the United Auto Workers union (UAW).

    Employees at the plant, in a region traditionally hostile to organized labor, on Friday opted to reject representation by the union, whose membership has plummeted 75 percent since 1979 and now stands at just under 400,000.

    "The outcome of the vote, however, does not change our goal of setting up a works council in Chattanooga," Gunnar Kilian, secretary general of VW's works council, said in a statement on Sunday, adding that workers continued to back the idea of labor representation at the plant.

    VW's rise to become one of the top three global carmakers is intertwined with the influence of labor, whose representatives make up half of the group's 20-member supervisory board.

    "Representation in Chattanooga is paramount to the unions at VW," said Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer, head of the Center of Automotive Research at the University of Duisburg-Essen.

    "The U.S. are the last blank spot on VW's global map where labor does not yet have a voice. The VW group's works council will do what it can to change that and it's fully backed by management." Chicago Tribune

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's strange. According to OpenSecrets, the UAW gave less than $14 million in 2012 in the Presidential race.

    Labor: Top Contributors to Federal Candidates, Parties, and Outside Groups | OpenSecrets

    And only $15 million total in 2012

    United Auto Workers: Summary | OpenSecrets
    METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs, soft money donors, and individuals giving $200 or more. (Only those groups giving $5,000 or more are listed here. Soft money applies only to cycles 1992-2002.) In many cases, the organizations themselves did not donate; rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs, soft money donors, and individuals giving $200 or more. (Only those groups giving $5,000 or more are listed here. Soft money applies only to cycles 1992-2002.) In many cases, the organizations themselves did not donate; rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
    That doesn't explain why they claim that the UAW gave $50 million when the truth is the UAW gave less than $15 million
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That doesn't explain why they claim that the UAW gave $50 million when the truth is the UAW gave less than $15 million
    Your numbers or OpenSecrets numbers are for one year for one election.

    The UnionFacts numbers are for more than one year and more than one election.

    I went to the UnionFacts source and it took me to the source you provided, OpenSecrets.

    The UnionFacts numbers doesn't say how far back these numbers go but I'm guessing 2001.

    So your numbers are correct because they are for one year for one election.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I like libertarian bedtime stories, but it's still too early in the day.

    My favorite is when something happens and you guys get kicked out of your comfortable jobs due to eroding job security. I've heard some libertarians turn into Eugene V. Debs on internal corporate boards. Lol. "I've got mine; **** you" works pretty well until the tide comes in. Also, your kid is going to feel a lot different about laissez fairy tales.
    Chevy's job bank where they would pay people who did nothing all day full wages and benefits, and pensions for sitting in a room for 4 hours watching tv and playing cards was one of the reasons that chevy was going under.

    No job should be considered secure. your job security depends on your ability to produce. if you are not producing why should you keep your job?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    And even these good Conservative folks came close to going UAW, that's how fed-up Southern folks are at the divisive GOP.
    They know Corker/Haslam/Norquist are garbage, they just couldn't quite pull the trigger yet.

    The GOP is very worried, and the deregulation disasters in North Carolina with coal-ash into the water
    and in West Virginia with chemicals destroying the water for 300,000 folks will punish them in the up-coming elections.

    A tip of the cap to Volkswagon for being above the lunacy of the Tennessee GOP.
    We will be trying to woo VW to Illinois in the future .
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    Not likely. I live in the 9th Congressional District which is said to be the most conservative district on the east coast.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Your numbers or OpenSecrets numbers are for one year for one election.

    The UnionFacts numbers are for more than one year and more than one election.

    I went to the UnionFacts source and it took me to the source you provided, OpenSecrets.

    The UnionFacts numbers doesn't say how far back these numbers go but I'm guessing 2001.

    So your numbers are correct because they are for one year for one election.
    IOW, you're #'s are complete BS
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And even these good Conservative folks came close to going UAW, that's how fed-up Southern folks are at the divisive GOP.
    They know Corker/Haslam/Norquist are garbage, they just couldn't quite pull the trigger yet.

    The GOP is very worried, and the deregulation disasters in North Carolina with coal-ash into the water
    and in West Virginia with chemicals destroying the water for 300,000 folks will punish them in the up-coming elections.

    A tip of the cap to Volkswagon for being above the lunacy of the Tennessee GOP.
    We will be trying to woo VW to Illinois in the future .
    There will always be a portion of the population who are greedy and wanted top pay for what is mostly low skilled jobs. Assuming that the coal ash or chemical spills are because companies are nonunion is another union fallacy. You remember when Ford Explorers were blowing tires and rolling over? The union assholes tried to say that it was because the Firestone tires were made by nonunion workers when in fact it was a design error on Ford's part. A problem in the vehicle's antilock braking system caused the left rear brake to stay applied heating up the wheel, and it happened no matter what tires were on it. But dishonest union folks tried to politicise it anyway.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And even these good Conservative folks came close to going UAW, that's how fed-up Southern folks are at the divisive GOP.
    They know Corker/Haslam/Norquist are garbage, they just couldn't quite pull the trigger yet.

    The GOP is very worried, and the deregulation disasters in North Carolina with coal-ash into the water
    and in West Virginia with chemicals destroying the water for 300,000 folks will punish them in the up-coming elections.

    A tip of the cap to Volkswagon for being above the lunacy of the Tennessee GOP.
    We will be trying to woo VW to Illinois in the future .
    That was not due to deregulation but inspectors not doing their job. i see you ignored what i posted early.
    both of those plants are union plants so i guess the union failed to do it's job accurately in making sure that everything was up to snuff.

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