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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    And all conservatives like you do is whine about liberalism and make claims they can't back up. Grow a pair and back up your contention about me or STFU and run along.
    Liberalism wasn't mentioned, just liberals. You don't understand the difference though right?

    If you mean hanging with the likes of you...I'd rather not. But thanks for asking.
    Yes, that's certainly not going to happen but of course that's something I never remotly suggested. What I did do is recommend you broaden your little liberal mind a little, but that's unlikely to happen as well.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat[W:600]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What I did do is recommend you broaden your little liberal mind a little, but that's unlikely to happen as well.
    From the same dolt that totally misread my first post no less. Run along now.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    How are unions any different from any other political group? Don't they have a right as individuals to ban together with other like minded to pursue legislation that reflects their views? Isn't that democracy at its core?
    Public Sector Unions force people to join against their will - that's the difference between them and the other groups of individuals who ban together with like-minded folk to pursue legislation that reflects their views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Unions gave you the weekend you just enjoyed.
    Actually that was God's idea. You'll remember him - he's the guy that the Democrat National Convention boo'd last 2012?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Public Sector Unions force people to join against their will - that's the difference between them and the other groups of individuals who ban together with like-minded folk to pursue legislation that reflects their views.
    True but still doesn't make them "enemies of America".
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    The constitution says corporations have some of the same rights as "persons".

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    True but still doesn't make them "enemies of America".
    Well there are a number of ways in which I would argue they certainly are a threat both to America and to the ideals that define us. One of which would indeed be forcing membership to support political speech with which they may disagree, and forcing membership to join (and pay dues) against their will. Another would be their status as an interest group. The Founding Fathers recognized A) that political factions would put their own interest ahead of the country's, and were therefore damaging and dangerous to our future and that B) they were also inevitable. Their solution was therefore to set interest group against interest group by dividing powers among the various levels and branches of government. With public sector unions, however, government becomes an interest group. Suddenly, instead of one group of citizens pursuing its' interests possibly to the detriment of another group of citizens, government is pursuing it's interests possibly to the detriment of all citizens. That is a huge power differential, and consequently indeed a threat to our form and even effectiveness of government - which is why even progressive types throughout our history such as Samuel Gompers and FDR have recognized that it is irresponsible or dangerous to unionize the public sector workforce. You create an entity (the public sector union) whose interests are in conflict with those of the people, and then you hand them enormous power to see those interests through nonetheless.

    That doesn't make union membership "enemies of America", no. But Public Sector Unions are pretty problematic.

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