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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    How do you claim that this was not a fair election? Did not both sides spend money to get out the message? Were not the workers allowed to go in to the booth and make their choice? Were not all parties allowed to speak up?

    Because one side or the other lost does not make an unfair election.
    Public leaders with a lot of influence and money got involved where they didn't belong. It was between the company and the employees.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Public leaders with a lot of influence and money got involved where they didn't belong. It was between the company and the employees.
    And other people with lots of influence and money did not get involved, like the unions? I admit to not following this one, but I doubt that all parties left it to the company and the employees.

    Frankly, this smells like sour grapes.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And other people with lots of influence and money did not get involved, like the unions? I admit to not following this one, but I doubt that all parties left it to the company and the employees.

    Frankly, this smells like sour grapes.
    it is. the union dumped hundreds of thousands into trying to get them to vote for a union.
    now that they lost they are wanting a revote which is what people like that do.

    if it fails again they will want another revote until they get what they want.

    the workers want a workers council US law prevents it from happening unless they are unionized.

    my recommendation is they form their own plant union they still don't nee the UAW.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And other people with lots of influence and money did not get involved, like the unions? I admit to not following this one, but I doubt that all parties left it to the company and the employees.

    Frankly, this smells like sour grapes.
    Um, yeah, UAW was involved in its own campaign. That's usually how it works. The big difference here is most of the time, the company will involve itself in its own campaign. In this case they opted not to since they run under a different model. Norquist and friends didn't like that which is none of their business. It's between the employer, unions and employees.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it is. the union dumped hundreds of thousands into trying to get them to vote for a union.
    now that they lost they are wanting a revote which is what people like that do.

    if it fails again they will want another revote until they get what they want.

    the workers want a workers council US law prevents it from happening unless they are unionized.

    my recommendation is they form their own plant union they still don't nee the UAW.
    They deserve a new vote although the well has been poisoned.

    Btw, without a union, it defeats the purpose of the a German work council gaining a labor voice from the US plant.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Um, yeah, UAW was involved in its own campaign. That's usually how it works. The big difference here is most of the time, the company will involve itself in its own campaign. In this case they opted not to since they run under a different model. Norquist and friends didn't like that which is none of their business. It's between the employer, unions and employees.
    Now it is the union and workers involved and the company stayed out of it? A couple of posts up it was the company and the workers, no mention of the union.

    But still, the election was rigged because others dared to voice their opinion. Is the claim now that the workers who voted were just to dumb to sort out the rhetoric of both unions and those other eevil guys and make a decision? Or that they were and didn't vote the way you thought they should.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Now it is the union and workers involved and the company stayed out of it? A couple of posts up it was the company and the workers, no mention of the union.

    But still, the election was rigged because others dared to voice their opinion. Is the claim now that the workers who voted were just to dumb to sort out the rhetoric of both unions and those other eevil guys and make a decision? Or that they were and didn't vote the way you thought they should.
    The union is most definitely part of it. If it was left out, my bad. No one said the workers were dumb. Being misled by a leader(s) you trust doesn't make them in the wrong in any shape or form. There is no doubt the well was poisoned but I don't think a re-vote will change that much.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Even the union stores here (Dominicks and Jewel) got rid of the meat cutters unions long ago. They made some serious bank, from what I understand. Now they outsource most of the cutting to non-union cutters.
    Long ago the Meatcutters union sold out to the UFCW - which is a sweetheart deal union that will gun down it's own members salaries for companies that force members to join the UFCW. The UFCW would also advise companies to fire any of their members who went on strike, even it the members voted to do so.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Long ago the Meatcutters union sold out to the UFCW - which is a sweetheart deal union that will gun down it's own members salaries for companies that force members to join the UFCW. The UFCW would also advise companies to fire any of their members who went on strike, even it the members voted to do so.
    Are you a meatcutter?

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    The Socialist have stacked the deck against thos who love liberty and freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Perhaps because this statement "But any union becomes a political instrument and a steady funding source for the enemies of liberty and individual freedom" is asinine.
    In your opinion where do most union donated dollars end up?

    Here is one opinion from a website:
    Public employee unions represent workers at every level of government, federal, state and local. Since contract negotiations for these workers are dependent not on private corporations, but on the size of government budgets, this is the one segment of the labor movement that can actually contribute directly to the people with ultimate responsibility for its livelihood. While their giving pattern matches that of other unions (which overwhelmingly support Democrats), public sector unions also concentrate contributions on members of Congress from both parties who sit on committees that deal with federal budgets and agencies.
    https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=P04

    And this was interesting:
    he limited nature of the disclosure grew out of a 1948 Supreme Court decision that, in the particular matter then before the court, spared unions and companies from disclosing the costs of political communications with their members or employees.

    Who knew the deck was stacked against Republicans?
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