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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I have the opposite down here.. Grocery markets used to be all union - Jewel and Dominicks the two largest. Non-union shops started opening.. Dominicks (after nearly 100 years) just went out of business and Jewel has been sold a few times over the past few years and is really havening problems. The non-union shops that opened up are eating them alive.
    How many chains do you have in a county limit?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    How many chains do you have in a county limit?
    Why a limit?
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    How many chains do you have in a county limit?
    Geeze... I can only count and hope I'm close... probably 9 within driving distance of me.. Counting Walmart and Target - both sell grocerys. I remember Cub Foods opening probably 30 years ago...

    They were the first ones in the area to really fight back against the unions. They had union emplyoees.. But they didn't have any baggers, because they didn't want to pay the union bagger wages. So the customers all had to bag their own groceries. They left our market after a few years...

    But they were quickly replaced by stores opening without any unions.. that could keep costs lower. The non-union stores kept taking market share from the 2 dominant (named in the prior post) until Dominicks tried to get a new contract with the union 5 years ago or so.. The union wouldn't cooperate.. Dominicks kept looking for a buyer... no one was interested due to the union problems and costs... and finally they closed right after Christmas. Jewel is really on the ropes too.. Even though my wife currently works there.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Geeze... I can only count and hope I'm close... probably 9 within driving distance of me.. Counting Walmart and Target - both sell grocerys.
    I didn't count Walmart or Target so we are about even. When I lived in Chattanooga, the only two stores in my area (besides Walmart) were BiLo and Food Lion. Lacking competition limited the items that were available ( crap selection) and limited savings for pricing wars. Now, I can't wait for my flyers because there's nothing these grocery stores won't do to compete against each other. The best part, is I'm not supplementing the workers wages. Due to the unionized store, the other stores keep their wages and working conditions good for the other workers to keep the union out. That means everyone wins. The workers make good pay. The community doesn't have to pay higher taxes to supplement workers food stamps and public resources aren't being depleted. Consumers get choice and super prices. All stakeholders benefit!

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I didn't count Walmart or Target so we are about even. When I lived in Chattanooga, the only two stores in my area (besides Walmart) were BiLo and Food Lion. Lacking competition limited the items that were available ( crap selection) and limited savings for pricing wars. Now, I can't wait for my flyers because there's nothing these grocery stores won't do to compete against each other. The best part, is I'm not supplementing the workers wages. Due to the unionized store, the other stores keep their wages and working conditions good for the other workers to keep the union out. That means everyone wins. The workers make good pay. The community doesn't have to pay higher taxes to supplement workers food stamps and public resources aren't being depleted. Consumers get choice and super prices. All stakeholders benefit!
    I personally think they make too much. It makes it impossible for them to complete with the non-union or even just younger stores who don't have the large legacy costs. A cashier who has been with jewel for a while is well over 20 per hour, pushed to $30 on Sundays, then add in profit sharing and 401k and benefits... That's insane, IMO, for someone to push a can over a scanner.

    I used to walk into Dominicks for a specific item, just to walk out empty handed shaking my head at their costs. They had little choice on the cost issue.. They had a lot of people they had to pay.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I personally think they make too much. It makes it impossible for them to complete with the non-union or even just younger stores who don't have the large legacy costs. A cashier who has been with jewel for a while is well over 20 per hour, pushed to $30 on Sundays, then add in profit sharing and 401k and benefits... That's insane, IMO, for someone to push a can over a scanner.

    I used to walk into Dominicks for a specific item, just to walk out empty handed shaking my head at their costs. They had little choice on the cost issue.. They had a lot of people they had to pay.
    Well, it certainly can be done as seen in my area. Even nonunion grocery stores have trouble and go under or get swallowed up by other chains. It's not a union problem but how chains can buy up and put others under. Union stores are pushed to think outside the box in order to compete and stay in business. That's the way all stores should work. Not under the race to the bottom model! That doesn't benefit communities in the long run.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well, it certainly can be done as seen in my area. Even nonunion grocery stores have trouble and go under or get swallowed up by other chains. It's not a union problem but how chains can buy up and put others under. Union stores are pushed to think outside the box in order to compete and stay in business. That's the way all stores should work. Not under the race to the bottom model! That doesn't benefit communities in the long run.
    I believe you said there was one unionized grocery store in your area... What's the name of the chain?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I believe you said there was one unionized grocery store in your area... What's the name of the chain?
    Stop & Shop

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Stop & Shop
    Thank you. sounds like they had some contentious negotiations with the union a few years ago.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Thank you. sounds like they had some contentious negotiations with the union a few years ago.
    You're welcome. My nephew is a meat cutter there and loves it. They did have some problems they worked out when they had the changing of the guards. I don't know the specifics.

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