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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Tell me about it.
    You long-timers can be pretty cool sometimes.

    I'm sure glad that Volkswagon had their brains on through this.

    I think VW would prefer the higher level of intelligence up here in Illinois.
    If we elect GOP Rauner as gov, a good chance, the venture boy could lure them here.

    We already have Mitsubishi, and have decades with Caterpillar.
    We may have to elect GOPs nationwide so the GOP stops strangling the Nation's economy .
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Tell me about it.
    You long-timers can be pretty cool sometimes.

    I'm sure glad that Volkswagon had their brains on through this.

    I think VW would prefer the higher level of intelligence up here in Illinois.
    If we elect GOP Rauner as gov, a good chance, the venture boy could lure them here.

    We already have Mitsubishi, and have decades with Caterpillar.
    We may have to elect GOPs nationwide so the GOP stops strangling the Nation's economy .
    I can't wait, the UAW and DNC get their feet in there, and soon Chatanooga can be just like that Bastion of Union Power... DETROIT!

    Nimby, the difference between you, and those on your ideological side, is that you don't see the disease that your ideology produces, every time it's tried.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    This is a case that the workers voted fairly and squarely on what they thought was the best choice. they rejected the UAW and now all the sore losers will come out and complain that it wasn't fair.

    The votes were counted by the national labor board reps. so there was no trickery in the vote. the majority of the workers so no benefit from the UAW. they saw all the issues that the big 3 had and the issues that they had with their union. not to mention that VW already offered good pay and benefits to the workers so there was no need for a union.

    yes VW plays good with european unions, but european unions are not the UAW. they have already ruined the US automakers. i am glad that the people voted the way they wanted to and found out they don't need a union to tell them how they need to work.

    evidently the VW company already works with the workers to make sure they are happy.

    as for the duke energy thing. Duke energy is a union place. IBEW962 IN THE CAROLINAS. so i think it was NIMBY claiming it was non union nonsense what do you say now?
    the are a union company.

    as for freedom industries in WV. those guys are union. in fact there is a huge union presence in WV. all of the pipe workers are union etc .. the chemical operators are union as well.

    so i would like to hear the response to the OL they are not union now.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    You again--Mr. V goes hyperbolic from Chattanooga to Detroit.
    And for good measure, he speaks of my disease, and the disease of those on my ideological side.
    Keep it classy Mr. V.
    Add Unions to Guns, ODS, Hillary, ACA, GLBT, abortion, GOD, war on women, war on poor as red flags for the RED team .
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    I can't wait, the UAW and DNC get their feet in there, and soon Chatanooga can be just like that Bastion of Union Power... DETROIT!

    Nimby, the difference between you, and those on your ideological side, is that you don't see the disease that your ideology produces, every time it's tried.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You again--Mr. V goes hyperbolic from Chattanooga to Detroit.
    And for good measure, he speaks of my disease, and the disease of those on my ideological side.
    Keep it classy Mr. V.
    Add Unions to Guns, ODS, Hillary, ACA, GLBT, abortion, GOD, war on women, war on poor as red flags for the RED team .
    No hyperbole. Detroit was a source of wealth, jobs a place to stand in awe of industry. Look at it now.

    Did "Unions" do that to Detroit? No, they were just the best supporting actors in the destruction of a modern wonder of the 20th Century. The good folks in Tenn. Looked at many things, and you can bet for damned sure the slow death of the big three automakers played into their thinking.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No hyperbole. Detroit was a source of wealth, jobs a place to stand in awe of industry. Look at it now.

    Did "Unions" do that to Detroit? No, they were just the best supporting actors in the destruction of a modern wonder of the 20th Century. The good folks in Tenn. Looked at many things, and you can bet for damned sure the slow death of the big three automakers played into their thinking.
    There are multiple reasons for the collapse of Detroit the UAW was just one of those reason. corrupt and severely mismanaged government was another one.
    The fact that the city lost the majority of it's tax base is another one.

    You are correct a lot of the people saw what happened to the big 3 under the UAW control and decided that it wasn't in their best interest.
    Also VW already pays good money and benefits without the need of a union so there is nothing that the UAW could offer that would make it better for them.

    Good working conditions good pay and good benefits pretty much kills any union wedge.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    ernst, you have nothing to offer but quips.
    Coal-ash spills and chemical spills are not DNC talking points.
    They are the result of deregulation and lax enforcement of what few regulations are in place, as proven in West Virginia and North Carolina .
    don't waste time on the anti-labor crowd.

    the agenda that they support will shut them out, and the people whom they spend so much time defending will actively work against letting them in.

    me, i'm bothered that their kids and grandkids will have to work in the labor environment that they create. mine will, too. hopefully, the kiddos will be smarter than we are.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We need to impeach Sen. Corker and Gov. Haslam who lied about what VW represented.
    VW had to correct Corker's and Haslam's lies several times.
    It is okay for the KOCH brothers to dump tens of millions of secret monies, while GOP posters fret over Unions.

    And it's okay for Duke Energy to dump tens of millions of pounds of coal-ash in NC waters.
    McCrory is the next dirty GOP governor ready to get raked over the coals, literally.
    The good people of the South are only a decade away from rising up against this GOP politburo to save their environment and way of living .
    Not likely. I live in the 9th Congressional District which is said to be the most conservative district on the east coast.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    don't waste time on the anti-labor crowd.

    the agenda that they support will shut them out, and the people whom they spend so much time defending will actively work against letting them in.

    me, i'm bothered that their kids and grandkids will have to work in the labor environment that they create. mine will, too. hopefully, the kiddos will be smarter than we are.
    No one is anti-labor just anti-UAW style union.

    The labor environment was good enough that many of the employee's didn't feel the need of the UAW. That they saw no benefit of the UAW it is the same reason that the UAW can't get into any of the other foreign plants. they have made wages, benefits, and working conditions good enough that they don't need a union.

    those companies no this and so they do everything they can to keep it that way. employee's don't see the need for a union when they are getting everything the union can provide and not having to pay union dues.

    If the conditions were worse then yes the uaw might have and get a foot hold.

    the UAW is dieing. they are running out of funds.

    maybe if they didn't pay huge sums to these so called union bosses they would have more money.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    don't waste time on the anti-labor crowd.

    the agenda that they support will shut them out, and the people whom they spend so much time defending will actively work against letting them in.

    me, i'm bothered that their kids and grandkids will have to work in the labor environment that they create. mine will, too. hopefully, the kiddos will be smarter than we are.
    What does that even mean? Unions have been falling out of favor with WORKERS for a generation. Unions are not necessary any more and that is why they have been reduced largely to the public sector. The ones who benefit the most from unionization are not the workers but liberal politicians who can count on the campaign donations confiscated from the union members. If people felt unions were a benefit to them, they would be growing. They are not.

    This isn't 1930 any more. Liberals still live in the New Deal, FDR, union and public works mindset. The world has moved on. Time to catch up.

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