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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    First, a council cannot go on strike against an employer in Europe so it's a non sequitur. Employees only have a say in wages and working condition through collective bargaining. A popular thing work councils do is determine wage on amount of production which benefits both the business and workers. Work councils have a democratic voice in decision in a variety of things including product. Workers who want to be more vested will have an opportunity which is a win for employer and employee alike.
    Okay, let's put the shoe on the other foot. If VW Tennessee is unionized at some point in the future, and the workers decide to go on strike, wouldn't they expect their union brethren in Germany to also go on strike to show solidarity? How would the council handle that problem? And what happens in the case of German national Holidays? Would the Tennessee workers expect to have the same time off with pay, since they're all working for the same company?

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Okay, let's put the shoe on the other foot. If VW Tennessee is unionized at some point in the future, and the workers decide to go on strike, wouldn't they expect their union brethren in Germany to also go on strike to show solidarity? How would the council handle that problem? And what happens in the case of German national Holidays? Would the Tennessee workers expect to have the same time off with pay, since they're all working for the same company?
    No, because German work councils work separate from the unions. Also, it wouldn't make sense for a company based in the US to negotiate German holidays. The USA union has absolutely no affiliation with the a German ones.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, because German work councils work separate from the unions. Also, it wouldn't make sense for a company based in the US to negotiate German holidays. The USA union has absolutely no affiliation with the a German ones.
    I was thinking about the German union considering an attempt to try to unionize VW Tennessee on their own, since they are apparently disappointed/angry with the UAW, as was mentioned in yesterday's news. I have to sign off now since I have company, but I'll look for your response tomorrow, if you choose to make one. :

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    I was thinking about the German union considering an attempt to try to unionize VW Tennessee on their own, since they are apparently disappointed/angry with the UAW, as was mentioned in yesterday's news. I have to sign off now since I have company, but I'll look for your response tomorrow, if you choose to make one. :
    I don't think a foreign union can organize here.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    The bottom line is that this vote is a death knell for unions in the south, as well as overall union health in the US....What is their participation these days? 7%? And the UAW needed this vote as a gateway to the south, now that is just not going to happen....Workers today don't want the adversarial relationship with management that the union brings anymore....People saw Flint, Lansing, Detroit, and no longer want a bully to ruin their careers.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The bottom line is that this vote is a death knell for unions in the south, as well as overall union health in the US....What is their participation these days? 7%? And the UAW needed this vote as a gateway to the south, now that is just not going to happen....Workers today don't want the adversarial relationship with management that the union brings anymore....People saw Flint, Lansing, Detroit, and no longer want a bully to ruin their careers.
    That is not the only reason some employees oppose unions. Some do not like being limited to advancement by seniority rules as example. Unions generally oppose advancement by merit.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is not the only reason some employees oppose unions. Some do not like being limited to advancement by seniority rules as example. Unions generally oppose advancement by merit.
    Yep, as I grew up in Lansing MI. I saw many of my friends over the years complain of the politics involved in advancing. Not to mention that getting a job in any of the GM system there had little to do with qualifications, and more to do with who you knew.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The bottom line is that this vote is a death knell for unions in the south, as well as overall union health in the US....What is their participation these days? 7%? And the UAW needed this vote as a gateway to the south, now that is just not going to happen....Workers today don't want the adversarial relationship with management that the union brings anymore....People saw Flint, Lansing, Detroit, and no longer want a bully to ruin their careers.
    The bottom line is the shift of power is away from labor and fully in the hands of capital.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I don't think a foreign union can organize here.
    I wouldn't think so, either, but since we seem to be heading toward an all-inclusive type of umbrella governance world-wide, who knows? It appears they're trying to do something similar with the climate change debate at the UN.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I wouldn't think so, either, but since we seem to be heading toward an all-inclusive type of umbrella governance world-wide, who knows? It appears they're trying to do something similar with the climate change debate at the UN.
    Well if you mean certain countries following certain policies similar in nature to such things as the economy, environment, human rights, etc....I'd agree. Our trade policies are more structured to support capital in larger proportion to either labor or real production. Something needs to give.

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