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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    The workers knew perfectly well that VW supported the union.
    Still Corker told them no expansion would happen with a yes vote.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    Government coercion of this nature should be viewed with absolute disdain and horror and we should all have a Zero Tolerance policy for that sort of thing.
    I totally agree!

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    What were the benefits of bringing in the union and charging dues supposed to be? To the workers, I mean. The benefits to the UAW are obvious.
    A chance to have a voice in policy in the company. That is pretty big.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    You're assessment is speculation. Feel free to speculate.
    Yup. Speculation that's 100% consistent with reality. That's called knowledge.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yup. Speculation that's 100% consistent with reality. That's called knowledge.
    Then you don't know the definition of speculation but whatever makes you feel good.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    Then you don't know the definition of speculation but whatever makes you feel good.
    Carry on. Your personal universe will keep you happy until reality finally crashes in.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

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    Carry on. Your personal universe will keep you happy until reality finally crashes in.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    A chance to have a voice in policy in the company. That is pretty big.
    What kind of voice in policy do you envision they would have? If the workers in Germany go out on strike, the workers in Tennessee would be expected to join them? Everything else is usually already covered..ie; vacation time, overtime worked, pay scales in the area for the various jobs being done, service milestones, etc. What could the union offer that would be different?

    Company policy is not usually made by the workers anyway....Most companies the size of VW usually have a Board of Directors that establish policy, and that commonly includes not only the executives of the company, but executive people from outside the company as well. I don't know how the Tennessee VW hierarchy operates, but since they appear to be a subsidiary of VW Germany, I doubt they make any policies other than those which would be necessary to conform to US law, but I could be mistaken.

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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    What kind of voice in policy do you envision they would have? If the workers in Germany go out on strike, the workers in Tennessee would be expected to join them? Everything else is usually already covered..ie; vacation time, overtime worked, pay scales in the area for the various jobs being done, service milestones, etc. What could the union offer that would be different?

    Company policy is not usually made by the workers anyway....Most companies the size of VW usually have a Board of Directors that establish policy, and that commonly includes not only the executives of the company, but executive people from outside the company as well. I don't know how the Tennessee VW hierarchy operates, but since they appear to be a subsidiary of VW Germany, I doubt they make any policies other than those which would be necessary to conform to US law, but I could be mistaken.
    Good evening, Polgara.

    The essential piece is that VW Tennessee management acted to promote VW's interests in Germany while retaining the non-union flexibility that brought the company to TN in the first place.
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    Re: Tennessee Volkswagen plant votes against union in UAW defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    What kind of voice in policy do you envision they would have? If the workers in Germany go out on strike, the workers in Tennessee would be expected to join them? Everything else is usually already covered..ie; vacation time, overtime worked, pay scales in the area for the various jobs being done, service milestones, etc. What could the union offer that would be different?

    Company policy is not usually made by the workers anyway....Most companies the size of VW usually have a Board of Directors that establish policy, and that commonly includes not only the executives of the company, but executive people from outside the company as well. I don't know how the Tennessee VW hierarchy operates, but since they appear to be a subsidiary of VW Germany, I doubt they make any policies other than those which would be necessary to conform to US law, but I could be mistaken.
    First, a council cannot go on strike against an employer in Europe so it's a non sequitur. Employees only have a say in wages and working condition through collective bargaining. A popular thing work councils do is determine wage on amount of production which benefits both the business and workers. Work councils have a democratic voice in decision in a variety of things including product. Workers who want to be more vested will have an opportunity which is a win for employer and employee alike.

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